<p>^^^ Yes, that is another weakness in the Naviance scattergram program. I wish Naviance would implement a control knob for which years of data to include in the scattergram. You’d want more years for schools with few applicants anually, and fewer years for schools with lots of applicants.</p>
<p>I just checked our Naviance data for Ivy League and similar schools. I do not see kids with lower stats admitted. I see lots of rejections and the only acceptances are huddled way up in the right hand corner ( along with rejections). I guess that means we have no super star athletes or parents willing to donate a new library or science building! So far we have 6 kids this year applying to Harvard. I did not check the other schools. </p>
<p>I am so ready for these tests to be finished so we can get some data and get the ball rolling.</p>
<p>Been away for a few days (dang work keeps getting in the way 
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<p>I’d be more than happy to offer the same discount on our charter air service that I get…if only I got one. The good news would be that it costs the same per flight hour rate whether you have one person or eight people on the airplane. The bad news is that even 1/8 of the rate is out of our price range. Of course, if any of you are independently wealthy and wish to use our services…I think I can wedge D2 into the baggage compartment and sneak in a few more campus visits. Sure, it’s freezing cold and unpressurized…but kids these days need to toughen up a little bit anyway. :)</p>
<p>Re: Naviance and years old data…on ours, on the college main screen, if I scroll down rather than click the graph link, there is a heading called Application History where I can see the breakdown for each year. Not so on yours?</p>
<p>Our super-selective school scattergrams have a lot of surprises in terms of gpa and scores, but we know gpa and scores don’t matter as much at those once you reach a certain level. I’m looking at Cornell and they took both the very highest stat app and two of the lowest, and turned down lots in the middle</p>
<p>OHMom–application history only reveals the # of applicants/admits/attended, at least for our HS. It does not show stats of those applicants. Our School Stats and Scattergram both contain six years of data.</p>
<p>We show the same for Cornell. We can also find some classmates on the football and lacrosse rosters. Now, I do not know that the athletes represent the data points to the left, but am guessing.</p>
<p>Oh mom yes we have that too- kind of a list that states the year, how many kids applied, how many were accepted, and how many chose to attend. We can’t get the years on the scatter gram. I suppose depending on the data sometimes you can figure it out, but sometimes if there are just too many applicants it becomes impossible.</p>
<p>Wolverine my daughter has never been on an airplane ( can you imagine?) and since I am a terrible flyer ( sorry W) I never encouraged airplane vacations. We simply drove everywhere. She really wants to go on an airplane but it seems that even when we visit Emory we will be driving.</p>
<p>twogirls…I had never been on an airplane until the summer before my junior year of college. Of course…that was back in the days of the Sopwith Camel when Pterodactyls still roamed the skies. But it just goes to show that you’re never too young or too…veteran…to start flying. After all, somebody has to help contribute to the Little Wolverines’ college fund. :)</p>
<p>Alright, I was only away from the computer for a couple hours and I am 2 pages of posts behind! </p>
<p>I think with school band, it is just such a mix of kids…those who are into it and those who aren’t that it limits the music they can do, and the end product and that frustrates her. She did bass clarinet for junior high marching band, and sax for HS marching band…even when not marching this year, since there isn’t oboe music is the marching band selections. She was glad to not be in marching band this year, but still had to do the marching band music for that season. She’s not passionate about oboe but enjoys it. I think if she thought she’d really get to do something with bassoon, she might like that, but it’s usually challenge enough to get to play actual oboe music and not be required to adapt flute music. I think she’d just ready for a change.</p>
<p>Our school doesn’t use naviance, so I don’t have access to that. I’m not sure how it compares to cappex. </p>
<p>mihcal…On the scattergrams on cappex, you can check boxes so that it will show only acceptances, or only rejections, or only waitlist, etc or any combination of those…so that helps, but I do wonder how accurate they are. At least it’s something…and I like a picture over lists of numbers. ;-)</p>
<p>3girls, I agree! It would be great if they had all those variables as dots!</p>
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<p>Cappex is, I believe, self-reported data from whatever students choose to put their info in.</p>
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<p>Yes!..I was hoping to find a site that would let you put in your stats and then would provide a list of colleges where those stats put you at the top of their range…there might be one out there. It doesn’t seem like a difficult thing to create. It might even be an option on some of the sites I’ve been exploring, but I haven’t figured it out yet if it is.</p>
<p>Shoboe if you find it let me know!! In the meantime I am going to the individual college web sites and looking for their freshmen profile stats. I am also looking at the stats for the honors programs and choosing schools where she would be at the top. This will get a little easier once we get actual test scores- right now we only have practice tests. We will create the list in June once our visits are complete and all of her tests and school work are done. </p>
<p>College data is also good to look at.</p>
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<p>Where you put in scores and GPA you can check a box that says “I’m interested in schools where I would be well above average, to increase my financial aid opportunities”</p>
<p>shoboemom: S plays mellophone in marching band and French horn in concert band. He was just okay with band in middle school (no marching) but then got completely hooked on marching band in high school. One thing I noticed was how much his posture improved that first marching band season!</p>
<p>shoboemom, from your description, maybe I should be glad they don’t have marching band at D’s HS. ‘Adapt flute music’ ?? In their honor band all the kids are serious about music. They play really difficult material. But their orchestra is much different, kind of a joke, as the best students skip it completely for the university youth orchestra. When she would help them out when they needed winds for songs, she would get so angry. The kids were always talking and diddling. She’d come home and explode about how they disrespected the director. I told her to quit volunteering for it, but she felt like they needed her. Chorus sounds like a nice change.</p>
<p>wolverine, what made you decide you wanted to learn to fly? I always thought pilots were born focused on it from the time they got out of cradle, zooming around the house, playing with planes instead of matchbox cars, riding the plane rides at the fair, talking about joining the air force. No?</p>
<p>I have no problem at all with holistic admissions but I’d sure love more transparency to the process. </p>
<p>Re: Naviance, does anyone get differentiation between early and regular decisions? That would be very helpful but ours isn’t broken down that way. I looked at Cornell just to see how it compared at D’s school to what some of you reported here and we too show the applicant with lowest scores/grades and the applicant with the highest scores/grades (no perfect scores applied) accepted with lots in the middle both denied and accepted. I looked at Columbia and discovered there that only one applicant with very high scores and grades was admitted. Most of the admissions were concentrated in a surprisingly lower range of grades/scores. There are a lot of hooks floating around D’s school so I am sure that obscures the likelihood of admission to various schools. With merit, it’s even harder to figure out what tips the balance! It just doesn’t show up on these graphs. Maybe the school college counselors can help but I’m not confident. </p>
<p>Shoboemom, I love the oboe and the bassoon! It’s amazing that your D can play so many instruments so well. Mine never moved beyond the violin and she works very hard at it just to be a competent but not brilliant player.</p>
<p>Celeste, most of our school orchestras require students to participate if they want to join any of the youth orchestras in the area. It’s still a challenge because the kids are at such different levels of ability and the willingness to practice really varies. My D had a hard time with that and with any lack of focus. She is like a little old lady shhing the noisy ones and frowning at the ones not listening.</p>
<p>Wolverine, too bad we can’t fit a whole bunch of us in that baggage compartment. :)</p>
<p>celeste: Interesting to hear about the school orchestra vs the university youth orchestra. We have an outstanding city youth orchestra program and this is why they have the requirement that a student must participate in their school band/orchestra (if the school has one) in order to be in the city youth orchestra. They have to turn in a form with their school director’s signature verifying their school participation. They will kick kids out if they quit or get kicked out of their school group. Course that still doesn’t guarantee they will respect their school director but at least they have the serious kids/good players in those groups.</p>
<p>3girls - I don’t think it’s possible to have a holistic admission process that is also transparent. That’s why I am not a big fan of holistic admission process - lack of transparency.</p>
<p>I am very impressed with all of these musicians. My daughter played the oboe in 4th and 5th grade and hated it. She was actually asked to attend oboe extra help. My daughter is not musically or artistically talented. The only reason why she did well in ceramics is because of all the tests and the journal checks that they did. She took her one art requirement and then stopped taking art classes. </p>
<p>3girls our Naviance distinguishes between early action ( green square attached to orange triangle), regular decision ( green square), and early decision ( a red circle like thing with a circle around it). There are also symbols for wait listed EA, wait listed RD, wait listed EA/eventual acceptance etc. There is a whole key shown. There are some popular schools where the symbols are so close together that they are impossible to distinguish. The ones that are easy to see are on the lower left side ( denials) and upper right side ( acceptances).</p>
<p>celeste…It was a classic case of dumb luck. I was on an ROTC scholarship, planning to be a computer scientist in the AF. At the end of my sophomore year, my grades and test scores were high enough that they offered me a pilot training slot on top of my scholarship. I flew twice on the airlines between then and graduation, and the first time I touched the controls of an airplane was in AF pilot training. God puts us where we’re supposed to be…and thus I stumbled into the best career I could hope for. :)</p>
<p>20 years flying in the AF, and almost 7 flying private jets…and I still LOVE doing it. I tell people I haven’t had to work a real job for 27 years, and to a large extent I truly believe that. We’ll never become rich doing it, but I’ve been blessed to be able to support my family doing something that I love doing…and I couldn’t ask for much more than that!!</p>
<p>3girls…Cramming extra people in the luggage area might actually help. Shared body warmth against minus 40 degree temperatures…it’s worth a shot!! Plus, hypoxic passengers are happy passengers!!</p>