Parents of the HS Class of 2017 (Part 1)

Mom here but I bet you all could figure that out too!

Total aside but I love how many on this thread actually know about Western Washington and that there is interest in it. It’s been surprising, in a nice way, to see it mentioned so much.

I think some of the regionals can really offer more to the right kid. WWU really sells the fact that they are primarily undergrad by choice. You will have tenured professors teaching your classes. Cal Poly SLO I would put up against the national list any day, to have it fall into “regional” based on it’s princeton classification and small grad program is well, whatever. At the end of the day unless a kids list falls 100% into the same school type classification, it’s an apples to oranges comparison anyway.

@CA1543 I agree with @Mom2aphysicsgeek I would also look at strong but not uber competitive state schools for engineering. The ability to be flexible and change majors can also be quite a bit better. My S17, who will only make it through AB is considering engineering as well as other options. All the schools on his list that offer the engineering discipline he wants (energy, mechanical based, preferably sustainably/renewable focused) have the ability for him to move around should he want or need to.

I can tell you from personal experience, at our engineering firm we really don’t care all that much where the undergrad came from as long as it is ABET. GPA for undergrad can matter a lot to get you in the door and grad school, if part of the package, if from a name school may carry weight in terms of starting salary and moving to the top of the application pile but someone with a masters or PhD from a middle tier state is going to be just as viable. In some cases more as those are the kids that chose full rides, lower tuition and maybe even worked a “real” job to help pay expenses.

And this is exactly why I don’t get hung up on rankings…as informative as they can be. I definitely look at them and a few can give me pause but at the end of the day, are not a determining factor at all.

I “stargated” my DSs. Thanks Ynotgo!
They have very little digital footprints as they don’t do much social media, little done with aliases. Only older people with the same name comes up.

If AOs google my name, I’d be in trouble =)) as I’m a bragging mom with kids pictures every day all over the social media places. :slight_smile: DSs have different last name so my stuff doesn’t come up when kids’ names are googled. Hope AOs don’t have time to google parents :smiley: :-S

We’ll be visiting WWU in October, so I’m glad to see there will be at least a small audience for a trip report!

Those Googly Eyes
Great idea to check! My D is fairly well locked down. Her facebook page comes up, but with no school or location info – just profile and wall pic (plus others with same name, but not her stuff). The only page that comes up with her name plus HS name is a teacher’s blog page where she took part in a discussion.

@payn4ward , I have a different last name too, and usually have to explain to people “yes, we are still married. Yes, they are my kids”.

Just now at car dealership, trying to get a good deal on a Honda Civic. We are going to pay for the car, but to drive down the price, D said she has to pay for the car, but only has xx amount in the bank, which is $2000 below the asking price. We walked away, couldn’t reach the price we wanted. Afterwards, D said the salesman must be thinking she is an idiot, who doesn’t know her math, especially considering the math club shirt she has on!!!

Boston Schools Visit report
We’ve been back a week now, but here is our visit report to Boston.

TL;DR Visited three schools. D liked all three, but really liked BC, a surprise, and BU.

Boston College

After dumping our bags at the hotel, we got back on the T and headed for Boston College. We got off at the end of the Green line and had lunch at a pizza place there. The pizza was fine and the garlic knots were really good. We then walked a couple blocks to the main campus gate. I didn’t know much about this campus, but in the summertime it is really beautiful. The landscaping is perfect and while not as big as Stanford, the condition of the grounds brought that to mind. We arrived early and waited in the admission office. As we waited, several student employees of the admission office talked to us. Honestly, they could not have been nicer. For whatever reason these students really clicked with my daughter to the point that we felt for monopolizing the staff. The students were from the midwest and so were we, so maybe that was part of it.

The information session was really good. The AO gave the usual 20 minute introduction and then there was a student panel. The audience asked really good questions and this proved to be a great session. We then did the tour. The facilities are nice. This was one of the few tours where we didn’t actually see the inside of a dorm, but the staff pointed us to some online resources to see photos/videos of the rooms.

Boston College is a Jesuit institution. They have what I call a “pseudo-core”. You have to take courses that cover 10 areas of scholarship to ensure that you educate the whole person. There is a focus on service as well, although there are no hard requirements. BC feels “more Jesuit than Catholic” to me, and I think that is good. In contrast, I think Saint Louis University feels “more Catholic than Jesuit”. The campus is a bit of a bubble, but with public transport right there you have access to the whole city.

There is a bit of preppy vibe, but overall it didn’t seem to bother D’17 as everyone was so nice during our visit.

D '17 really like the people there and will probably apply. However, we would need merit aid and that is exceedingly rare; I could see this turning into a “financial rejection.”

Boston University

This was the target of our visit. We visited early on the second day. While getting off the T, an employee of the university saw us looking lost and gave us some helpful directions. She also said that she loved the university but told my daughter to make sure that she wants an urban campus. We were early and the admission office wasn’t actually open so we walked around Bay Street and saw the Brownstones that make up may of the LLCs. I thought they were absolutely stunning and would want to live there. We went to the admissions office and the lounge has a wall of windows that view the Charles river. On our morning, it was an amazing view.

The admission session was good, a student and an AO. The student had taken the first year writing seminar that entailed visiting restaurants and writing reviews. Finally someone has invented an English class in which I might excelled. I always try to understand what a college says is distinctive about themselves, but after a week I can’t really remember what BU said made them different. This is not a criticism, and D is interested because the program she is interested in ranked in the top 5. Merit aid is available. For us, it will be necessary or this will be a financial rejection too.

We then did the tour. The tour guides that we had were nice and one had a very 'big" personality. BU is a long and thin campus and bisected by the Green line and a busy street. There is another busy street between campus and the green space next to the Charles river. There are several pedestrian bridges that connect to the green space. There is an area called the “BU beach”. To give a feel for the campus, the area is called the beach because, apocryphally, if you close your eyes the traffic sounds like waves at the ocean The locals refer to “east, central, and west” campus. Most of the Arts and Science buildings and the college D is interested in are in “Central Campus”. We did not tour “West Campus”. The bookstore and the place we had lunch at were in “east.”

Northeastern University

The final college visit that we did was Northeastern University. We used the Green Line of the T to get there and arrived early enough to walk around for about 1/2 an hour. The information session was fine. The one thing that was strange was the actual building itself where they give the information session. It has lots of “natural” light but it is filtered and augmented with colored light in a way that was strangely off-putting. I thought it was just me by my wife agreed. D didn’t really mind or mention this.

Obviously what makes Northeastern unique is their emphasis on a coop program. It is a requirement of graduation to have two “experiential learning experiences”, coops or internships. For the engineers, coops are that different but the emphasis on the coop program is. For other disciplines, I think this is pretty unique. Because of this, it is nearly impossible to graduate in 4 years if you don’t take summer school. As a result, we saw many more students on campus here than at the other two schools. Additional, I had the impression that more foreign students were on campus than I would have expected from the % enrolled. This could just be the way our interactions happened to work out.

If you have a child who works as a tour guide at Northeastern University, I would suggest leaving the room now.

Unfortunately, we had the worst tour that we have had to date. Our tour guide was ill-prepared and basically uninterested in leading the tour. The guide was a rising sophomore student who did a study abroad deferred enrollment. The guide basically had only semester at Northeastern and could not / chose not to answer any questions. I think that the training wasn’t very thorough either. After a while, it was obvious that many other parents and students on our tour felt the same way that we did. While visiting a dorm, one parent asked some softball questions.
Q. “How do you match your roommates?”
A. “I matched randomly”

Q “What do students do for social life on the weekends.”
A. “That is a really hard quesion. Everyone is different.”

etc...

We tried to stick with the tour to walk away after a positive moment but we eventually just snuck away to the T.

Boston in general.
As suggested, we lived on the T. We arrived, took a bus to the airport T station, found an MTBA employee, asked for “Charlie Cards”, loaded 7 day passes ($19) on them, and never looked back. It really couldn’t have been easier. After the trip, D’17 felt like she could easily navigate the system and back and forth to Logan on breaks.

On our last day, we considered visiting Tufts, but the information session schedule would have caused us to have rush to the airport. Since they don’t give any merit aid either, we just enjoyed a lovely morning walking to and spending time in the Boston Public Gardens. We found a fantastic bakery on the way, had some breakfast and just really enjoyed the morning. We allowed extra time to get to the airport, but didn’t need it. In the summer, the T works great. I wonder it if works that well all year round.

@mommdc: Pitt was on my daughter’s list at one point, but she eventually crossed it off—too biochem for what she wanted. (My daughter, in doing her research into things, realized early on that there are two very different approaches to neuroscience, one focusing on the biochem side and the other on the psych side. They both incorporate a bit of the other, but she’s more interested in the psych side.)

Rankings, take 2: For some reason, my last post had a copy-and-paste error in the middle of it. It meant to say, as a a FWIW, that the highest-USNWR-ranking school that’s ever been on my daughter’s list is Amherst (#2), and the highest-ranking on her list now are Colgate and Smith, tied at #19. Eyeballing cuts over time, aside from the initial massive cut from the starting list (which, recall, was all the schools we could find out there that offered both neuroscience and conflict studies), it looks like higher-ranked schools were just as likely to get cut at any given point as lower-ranked schools. (Lower-ranked schools were more likely to go in the first cut because of endowment-related financial stability concerns—rankings do correlate with endowments, after all.)

@mamaedefamilia: A spam bonfire! I really, really like it! I may have to steal that one.

Googling: It’s hard to google me—I share the name of someone much, much more famous than I will ever be. If I google my oldest’s name, the first hit I get is her Twitter feed (which makes it incredibly clear that she leans pretty intensely left, but nothing embarrassing or really problematic), and then a bunch of stuff about an actress with a similar but different name. (Including her middle name pulls up some Prezis she’s done for classes, too.)

@dfbdfb makes a very good point about neuroscience which is becoming an increasingly popular major. My S is at pitt and as part of the program, your requirements for neuroscience include everything you need for a minor in chemistry. It suits my son, but there is a lot of chem.

Sorry if this is drifting a bit far off topic.

Have we already talked about the university of Chicago extended essay prompts on this thread? My son loved them so much - he googled the last ten years of prompts. He was chuckling merrily as he read their thought provoking and tongue in cheek prompts.

https://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/apply/essay-questions

@Dave_N Thank you for the review.

Sorry to hear about NEU tour. We had our share of underwhelming tour guides.
Given how much impact the tour has on families deciding to apply or not, I think it’s time for the schools redo tours. Have trained AOs give tours or get a machine to do it - give out headsets/apps so that as families walk around they hear voices (selected from male/female/regional accents etc) like a museum tour, and then have a siri or text interface so that people can ask questions by voice or text and get a response from someone at the office or artificial intelligence. :smiley:

@“What???!!” Yes, we talked about Chicago prompts for a few pages but that is only a few days ago and hundred pages ago :slight_smile:

@“What???!!” Yes, back on page 466 @2muchquan posted this year’s essays. My son decided that he wants to apply based on their essay prompts. I don’t know if he’s serious or understands how cold Chicago gets. It is quite good for physics and does have CS (but not engineering).

@SincererLove

Telemarketer: Can I speak to Mrs. Myname?
My husband: No, she is not home.
TM: Then, Can I speak to Mr. Myname?
DH: No. (There is no such person, Mr. Myname, living here)
TM: Are you her husband?
DH: Yes.
TM: Then, you ARE Mr. Myname.
DH: No, I am not Mr. Myname.

DH said it went on for a few minutes before TM gave up comprehending.

I am technically not Mrs. MyLastName but Mrs. HisLastName and Ms. MyLastName. :smiley:

FWIW
https://t.co/MkRspBubKD

I’m surprised that you have to explain different last names so much. Maybe it is regional. It seems like most Asian couples I know have different last names, many Latino couples, and quite a few white couples. I don’t have the same last name as my kids, and I like the bit of anonymity that affords them. (They do have my last name as a spare middle name, but that only shows up on passports and the like.)

The only people I’ve dealt with who didn’t get it were my relatives, who address letters to me as “Mrs. Husband’s First and Last Name”. When I was a kid, I thought my grandmother’s first name was Henry, because “Mrs. Henry LastName” was the return address on her envelopes.

Thanks for the trip reports, @Dave_N !

@dfbdfb Smith is on our list too! Have you visited? We toured Mount Holyoke, Smith and Wellesley this Spring. My DD17 did not like MH at all, not sure why. It is really in the middle of nowhere, but beautiful. She liked Smith a lot, loved the houses and open curriculum. Her favorite was Wellesley, which would be so convenient given the proximity to Boston, but is a reach school. I think she will apply to both S and W.

@payn4ward That’s a great heads up. Also, FWIW, ACT registration for 2016-2017 opens on July 1.

I’m still wondering about University of Chicago - it seems to me that it is not as academically progressive as these prompts would suggest. From what I understand they have one of the largest core curriculum requirements of any college. I heard they sell t shirts that say, “University of Chicago - where fun goes to die”. The high number of requirements seem in direct conflict with experimental spirit of these essay prompts and the kind of kids it would attract. What do you guys think?

@Dave_N We visited BC and BU and my son really likes both. I didn’t expect to like BU because it is an urban campus. My son’s graduating class will be 100 kids. A large urban campus was not what I envisioned him liking but I took him there to expose him to what a large urban campus was like. Who knew he’d like it so much. For my son what was different about BU then the other schools we visited in Boston was the specialty and LLC communities and their study abroad program. He would like to apply to one of the language Brownstones but I’m not sure that will work out for him. My only concern is the Towers. For no particular reason other than the overall size and whether he would start to feel overwhelmed. Boston is a fabulous city. We’ve made three visits and on our last visit we did it all by public transportion (including from the airport to the campus) and I’d agree with you it is an easy city for kids to navigate. We traveled around this city to explore it and I also felt safe and comfortable and more importantly, I was comforted by how comfortable my son was. We were at Georgetown recently and he was happy to hear about their LLC communities but the don’t have a themed house for the language but have an amazing study abroad program which totally blew him away and they have very nice housing options. He was pretty sure Boston or very close surrounding areas is where he would apply and was surprised at how much he loved Georgetown so we’ll have to see how it goes.

We were scheduled for an info session/ tour of Northeastern. Ten steps onto their campus my son just stopped walking and we both knew it wasn’t the right fit. It felt institutional and dark. It’s the only visit where we judged the book by it’s cover so to speak. Before a return trip to Boston I did some research to see if I could find something that would be compelling enough to give it another shot. I learned they have a fabulous co-op program but also learned of the rankings scandal and just decided to stick with my initial instinct that it’s just not a good fit.

Tufts campus was nice but not a good fit for my son. It has a lot of stairs and based on this I assumed, and the tour guide confirmed, riding a bike was out of the question. Housing at Tufts is only guaranteed for two years. There are many older homes in the area that the students rent but I don’t want him to have to deal with a landlord, power issues in snowstorms, etc.

@payn4ward Love your idea about the headsets for tours!

@Dave_N We are huge Peter Kreeft fans. He is a philosophy professor at BC. Dd has commented how cool it would be to take a class from him. But BC is out of our price range.