Parents of the HS Class of 2017 (Part 1)

Just discovered what I am getting my college ds and sr dd for Christmas, a smart pen that allows handwrittennotes to be stored on a Cloud and can then be edited on your device. Both prefer to handwrite their notes bc it helps them remember them better, but both dislike going back through their notes to organize them more efficiently.

I had never heard of this before, so I need to research it further. The Bamboo Spark is the one I just learned about. If any of you know about these and have recommendations, I would love to hear opinions.

I filled my college application out myself but it wasn’t CA and it was very straight forward though I did need my parents to tell my my SSN. With FASFA, we sat down and did it together. There was no way I (or really any kid) could do it alone because you need so much information about how much is in savings and investments and tax stuff. But the kid has to be part of it because you have to electronically sign it at the end. And if any of your kids end up taking federal loans, the mandatory loan counseling is so confusing, it requires a parent

@Mom2aphysicsgeek Hmm. I’d like to try one of those pens. It seems to me there is ‘context’ in writing…like, I never write notes synchronously. I’ll jump around on a page and draw arrows…or write in a margin. I wonder what that would end up looking like? Seems like this might be the Apple Watch of pens, but who knows? I’ve been keeping my eye on those laptops with screens that flip around so you can use it like a tablet. Waiting for technology to improve and prices to come down after the new year. The pen is so much more compact and easy to carry.

@Mom2aphysicsgeek Don’t know anything about the Bamboo Spark but it sounds like there should be a phone app that would do the same thing so I Googled and found this: http://www.pcmag.com/review/343472/moleskine-smart-writing-set

Seems having a whole other device just for that would be a bit wasteful if your smartphone can do the same.

Ah, I looked it up. It’s a tablet…I misunderstood about the Bamboo Shark…I thought it was just a pen :smiley:

Thanks for that link @Dolemite. I wonder if there is anything that is more your typical 8x11 notebook size?

My son got invited to attend Northeastern’s Business day so we went and checked it out. He got to meet all the biz dept people. The head of the team did a nice job presenting the school’s features/benefits and did so without overselling it. She was pretty down to earth and was genuinely excited about where the program was headed. A recent grad cover his last 5 years there, he had some great experiences. For a young man he did a great job discussing his schooling and co-op experience with us.

Regarding co-ops, they said that right now, more than ever before, it’s like the Disney Land of Co-ops at Northeastern. Tons of great opportunities for the kids to explore.
The school has come a long way since the 80’s, when I chose NOT to attend. It was dumpy and gross, now it is pretty nice for an urban campus. The area around the school used to be a lot dumpier and scarier. The new dorms and buildings kind of close off the campus to the city, nice new landscaping too. I was pleasantly surprised.
I can see why people want to attend there for sure. Seems like a great experience for the right kid.

Son17 liked the concept of the co-ops in other cities. He liked the international options too.

But in the end, not enough to vault to the top of the pack. He didn’t think the vibe was a good as BU for a city school. He also thinks Babson has the best idea with a 4 day school week and 3 day weekend all year long, and a more peaceful campus. The classes at Northeastern were all going to be double the size compared to Babson,some biz classes with 45 people, and general studies classes of over 100 people. The 3 day weekend is my son’s favorite feature, he said he can cram all his studying into those 4 days, and then go snowboarding on the weekends. Ha! That’s my boy!

Great write up @RightCoaster You should copy and paste it over in the “Colleges that moved up or down after a visit” thread. Lots of people would find it useful I’m sure.

QOTD1: Are volunteer hours required at school:

40 hours for graduation, plus 150 hours for IB split in to 50 hours Creative, 50 hours Action, 50 hours service

My burning question- what GPA are you using for the common app? Her transcript has:

Academic 9-11 weighted
Adacemic 9-11 unweighted
All 9-11 weighted
All 9-11 unweighted
UC GPA

@VickiSoCal For GPA we used All Unweighted. I think your real choices are between All Weighted and All Unweighted, but how would you describe the Weighting? I mean, I’m sure you want to do this because it’s higher, but I can’t imagine this information is used for much, since they ask for a transcript.

**volunteer hours **
40 required for graduation, S has over 500, I think he’s good

filling out applications
We have not started yet. My expectation is that S will do most but with review and input by me (or no CC entered lol). Basically I have veto power but he needs to do it to a level I am ok with. I will not be surprised if he requests I complete some of the mundane stuff. We will do FAFSA together.

gpa
We only have one to report so that’s easy. All 9-11 UW

The counselor has to fill in all of that information. Grading scale, weighting, highest GPA in the graduating class, level of rigor compared to peers, block scheduling, etc.

My son visited union college. He thought the campus was nice. They do offer scholarships up to 20000. Plus they have some sort of program if you want to go to med school you could get into this special program and not take the MCAT. You have to have certain grades and a certain sat score plus hospital experience to get in and probably keep certain grades after your in. They also give the scholarships without a minimum GPA requirement. I thought that was nice because people did mention that engineers had a harder time keeping the GPA’s. I was wondering if people knew any kids who had trouble finishing up the engineering degree in 4 years. I thought I heard it was hard to get engineering classes that were needed sometimes. Any knowledge about that?

So she should leave the gpa box blank?

@jmek15 I like those stats, thanks. Not surprising really. WPI is pretty nice. I wish it was in Boston though, lol. My younger son likes it a lot, he has been there for some robotics stuff and tech classes. My Son17 is more biz focused so it wasn’t a great fit for him and he doesn’t like Worcester. Said he’s not feeling it, ha. Maybe it’s the strung out junkies panhandling at the street corners all the time. Worcester has come a long way, but I think it’s a work in progress still. Son17 has multiple friends that plan to go to WPI though. It has a good rep around here and I think it’s a decent value for what you get.

Re: Common App:

I filed out all the boring info crap. Son will have to create a resume and fill in the activities section. Working on essay in the next few weeks.

His #1 choice sent him an email today that said he could apply to their school directly using some sort of proprietary appilcation that has a bunch of stuff filled out and it has a fancy name. Or just send in the common app. They “can’t wait to review his application” , ha… yeah right!

QOTD: Volunteer hours.

None required. Awesome because son doesn’t have many, lol. He tutors some underclassmen once in a while.
He did organize a food drive, so that was nice.
Just doesn’t have the time or desire to do much right now, I’m fine with that. He needs some down time and fun time.

Ok, finally time for some of those college visit reports I promised. I was taking notes on my phone because I couldn’t seem to remember to ever bring any paper. But it worked pretty well b/c I could also take photos to incorporate into the text.

** Smith College visit **

We did the info session first and then the tour. Lots of construction around the admissions building, so a little hard to get a feel for the campus. Literally had to walk around a huge trench that appeared during the time that we were in the info session. I felt like we should be wearing hard hats! But they assured us it was a short-term effort to beautify their main entrance.

Info session was fairly informal, with one admissions officer who sat on a desk for her presentation (she had a foot injury). She was pretty no-nonsense and down to earth and answered questions frankly. Here’s what we learned:

Smith is one of the largest women’s colleges, and one of the only (or the only?) offering a engineering program. They have an open curriculum and offer majors, minors, concentrations and certificate. They require that half the classes you take are outside your major. You declare your major by the end of your sophomore year. AP classes don’t translate to credit because there are no required courses but they can sometimes be used to place you in a more advanced class. Many students do internships and 87 percent also conduct research in almost every discipline. Opportunities to collaborate with professors, present and publish your research. About 130 students remain on campus during the summer to work on projects. 50 percent of juniors study abroad, but you have to have to be proficient in the language of the country you’re going to. They offer several (6? 9? I didn’t write this down) languages; students can also take many other languages at U Mass Amherst. Financial aid is available for study abroad.

Five College Consortium – all colleges within 12 miles of one another. 30,000 young people in the area when classes are in session. Free bus between campuses. 60 percent of Smith students take at least one class off campus. Colleges have the same academic calendars and kids can get vouchers to eat at different campuses if they are taking a class there. Some people complete their major at Smith and get a certificate in something else at one of the other institutions.

Internships-- you can do internships after your junior year (although later she said sophomores can also do). They fund all students who wants to do one $2700 for US, $3500 for international. They also fund “international experiences” although I am not sure how that differs from an internship. You can do more than one experience.

Mentorship-- alumni network is very strong. She described the alumni as having an “intense” fondness for Smith and said she sometimes has to avoid wearing her Smith clothing to the airport when she’s in a hurry b/c she knows she’ll encounter someone who wants to talk about how great it is.

Social life and housing–Housing offered all four years. 85 percent of people stay in their original house for four years. Houses are self-governing and offer a great sense of community. Vary in size from 20 to 100 occupants. First year you will probably have a roommate, maybe also as a sophomore. After that you’re likely in a single. There are 15 dining rooms on campus-- one card gets you into all and you can eat as much as you want. My daughter reported that the food was quite good and there are many options for specialized diets. I think I read somewhere they have a peanut-free dining hall? No cars on campus for first years. As is true of every college there is “no pressure to use drugs or alcohol.” Men don’t live in the houses but you will see them in classes since they can come from other colleges.

Students can participate in music and theater productions without having to major in those disciplines. They are open to everyone. You can join any club or organization at any of the five colleges.

Admissions-- each application is read by two to three people. High school transcript is very important (wants to see rigor in context of the school’s offering). They will call the high school if necessary if they don’t know anything about it (likely in our case!) 38 percent admission rate for regular decision; 42 percent for ED. Not a big bump. She emphasized very strongly that ED is binding. Interviews are optional. 2/3 of students get some type of financial aid; fewer than 4 percent get merit aid (this would be the STRIDE and the Zollman, I believe). Admissions is not completely need blind. They read them need blind and then assess the ‘maybes’ (usually only about 20-30 applicants) with regard to funding availability. Merit aid not used as a recruitment tool and it doesn’t vary whether you choose to apply ED or regular.


Campus tour

Our tour was a little disappointing because it was a Sat. and our guide said her swipe card wouldn’t let her into many of the buildings (?). The pond had been drained for dredging and there was a lot of construction on one edge of the campus. We went into the library entryway, the shared living room of one of the larger houses and into one small, unremarkable dorm room. The main part of the campus was very pretty, and the science and engineering building (Ford Hall) looked amazing but we couldn’t go in. It was pretty hot and humid for us Montanans but my daughter said it was pretty mild compared to the previous three weeks. The botanical gardens were lovely. The theater building seemed nice (from the outside!). We had lunch in Northampton, which really seemed to be the perfect college town. Right next to the campus, with tons of funky little shops, restaurants and interesting stores. Very walkable although on a hill. It reminded me a bit of Berkeley, which I attended in the late 80s.

Later that week we went back to Smith and my daughter showed us around to her favorite spots on campus. She’d been there three weeks, but gave a better tour than the tour guide, who was nice but not very informative. The pond had started to fill up again, which was nice. We explored more of the library, the poetry room (!), the student center, the bookstore. Didn’t have time to go into the art museum unfortunately. That tour was a lot more fun and interesting.

Overall Smith is still one of her number one (if not the number one) spots on her list. She likes the campus, the people and the town. If she could land a STRIDE or a Zollman I think we’d be happy to have her attend. Her stats put her in the running, I think, but of course there’s no telling. Northampton was a big selling point for me, particularly after we toured Mt. Holyoke, Wellesley and Wesleyan. None of their surrounding towns had that kind of fun college vibe that adds so much to the college experience, I think.

Whew. So long! I hope I didn’t bore all of you. The next day was Sunday, which we spent touring Newport in preparation for our visit to Brown on Monday morning…

** volunteer hours: ** Nothing specific WRT hours but all students are required to do some sort of “service learning” grades 9-12. It can be within the school, local community, national, global, whatever. There is oversight, though, and completion gets noted on their transcript.

** GPA: ** School does not weight so that’s a no-brainer

** Common App: ** D17 filled it out herself and asked me to look over her shoulder to check for accuracy. @dfbdfb She had some doubts about which category was most appropriate for some special projects and activities and we will confer with her guidance counselor. She has also taken the lead in trying to resolve a scheduling conflict and we are going to see if she can resolve it on her own before we apply parental pressure.

@fun1234 Historically, it’s been hard to complete engineering degrees in 4 years, but with the advent of AP/IB/AICE/DE credits, it’s become a bit easier.

Many engineering courses have to be taken in sequence. Many have prerequisites & co-requisites, if you have to drop or fail a class, then it could put you back 1 or 2 semesters from graduating.

For example, here’s a typical course flow for an industrial engineering major (at UF). Notice that they can’t take most of their upper level classes, until they complete ESI 4327C Matrix. This is a very rigorous class with a high drop (and re-take) rate. If you drop this class, it will add time to your graduation.

http://www.ise.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Course-Flow-2014-04-15.png

On the other hand, with the right AP test scores (or DE, IB, AICE, etc.), you could end up skipping many of the classes that you would normally take your first year in college (Both Econs, the Calculus classes, the Chemistry class, the English classes, etc.).

Finally, some engineering majors require more credits. This varies by college, but sometimes the difference can be as great as 12 credits (an additional semester). Taking a minor can also add time to graduation. As well as co-ops or fall/spring internships.

Son received a Rose-Hulman booklet today so we decided to take a look at the application. ** There’s no required essay and no fee! ** He filled it out with my help in about 30 minutes (we’ll hit submit after a 24 hour cooling off period and one more review). Simple as that. They do require a teacher rec, transcripts, test scores, etc. If he’s accepted and they offer decent fin aid, he’ll strongly consider it.

My point: if your DC is interested in engineering and is ok going to a very highly ranked school in the midwest, why not apply? So easy.

ETA: Rose-Hulman is a 1 hour drive from Indianapolis International Airport

@thinmints @Collegecue She is much better today, thank you! She’s had milkshakes and soup and is requesting crullers(?). On the mend!