Parents of the HS Class of 2017 (Part 1)

RE: Score Choice

I copied this from a CC post a couple of years ago. Info may be out of date so worth verifying.

The rules vary from college to college. For the ones you list:

Penn: requires all tests (SATs, SAT IIs and ACTs)

Cornell: requires all SATs and all SAT IIs; requires all ACTs if you submit any ACTs

Yale: requires either all SATs and SAT IIs or, alternatively, all ACTs (it accepts ACT in lieu of both SAT and SAT IIs)

Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown, Columbia: accept score choice for all tests (SAT, ACT and SAT IIs)

NYU, USC, MIT, Gtech, UT (Austin), UVA, Michigan, Chicago, : accepts score choice for all tests

Carnegie Mellon: requires all SATs, or alternatively, all ACTs (if you submit both tests, all tests must be submitted); and then requires all SAT IIs if particular CMU college requires SAT IIs (not all the CMU colleges require SAT IIs)

UC Berkeley, UCLA: current rule is ambiguous. It requires all SATs if you send any one SAT but unclear whether that rule applies to ACT or SAT IIs

Stanford: requires both all SATs and all ACTs but you can send whatever SAT IIs you want to send

Caltech: accepts score choice for all tests but “strongly recommends” submitting all SAT and SAT II scores (many other colleges usually just say recommend rather than strongly recommend submitting all scores)

UIUC and University of Washington: accept score choice for SAT and ACT and do not use SAT IIs for admission.

Top schools that DO NOT Accept Score Choice:

UNIVERSITIES:

Carnegie Mellon University
Cornell University
Georgetown University
University of California campuses
University of Pennsylvania
Rice University
Stanford University
Yale University

Penn changed their rule last week about sending scores. They now allow score choice, but would like you to send all. We will send only ones we want…I have been told schools do not know if you don’t send all.

Engines in cold weather: Engines put out a lot of extra pollutants on startup if it’s below about 20F, so plugging in to a block heater is recommended if the temperature is below that. However, cars will happily start up well below zero—in fact, if you have the right kind of antifreeze (true fact: there is antifreeze you can buy up here that’s not legal in the lower 48), folks in Fairbanks who regularly deal with -50F can start their cars up at that temperature, though you do end up with some damage if you keep doing that. Diesel fuel gels up when it gets cold, but if you have a diesel engine up here you have a warmer for the fuel tank to make it liquid before you start things up. Interesting: Priuses (Prii?) don’t need block heaters (unless you live in one of the more extreme corners), because they pull the coolant into an insulated container when the engine is shut down.

Shutting school down for cold: If schools shut down because it dropped below 20F, we wouldn’t have school much in Alaska. Kids in Anchorage have outdoor recess unless the wind chill reaches -10F; in Fairbanks, outdoor recess is held until the temperature reaches -20F. School itself is never, by policy, closed for cold weather; really, the only reason I’ve ever seen school closures here are in late winter/early spring when there’s a warm snap that results in snow meltage and refreeze, leading to the packed ice on the roads (which is what we drive on all winter—it’s slippery, but not terribly so) developing a sheet of ice overnight, so the bus ride would be dangerous in the morning before the gravel trucks can get out and take care of it.

Anyone applying to Ole Miss Honor’s know the essay prompt?

Ignore my last post. I finally got it to show up, so I have added it to D’s essay spreadsheet. She can’t reuse any other essay for this one: What does it mean to be an educated person?

Greetings from Oklahoma City. We toured OU yesterday through the National Scholars Program and DD LOVED it. It is now her top choice.
We started with the Pre-med advisor and spent an hour with her. We could have stayed two more. It was wonderful! Then we were off to meet with a Microbiology Prof in the Microbiology building. That was a nice surprise that they have their own building for that department. She was full of information and gave DD a lot to think about.
Next was a meeting with the photography prof. DD wants to minor in that so it was a fun meeting and DD reminded the prof a great deal of her niece. Needless to say, we had a hard time getting out of her office.
Our student guide then picked us up in a golf cart and took us and another student and her mom to the Honors College where we met with Dr Day, the Dean. He was so dry but DD really liked him. We both liked the feel of the OU Honors College. Of course it didn’t hurt that the admin asst saw DD’s Avengers phone case and they got to talk Marvel.
After that meeting we were on our own for lunch. My understanding is that normally we would have eaten in the cafeteria with a student, but it was between semesters so it was closed. There a great restaurants right across from campus so we enjoyed one of those.
After lunch we had a sit down with the recruiter in the National Scholars Office which was so informative. We then joined a tour group. Normally we would have just been in a regular group, which we were. But there was a new guide who was training and is also a National Merit Scholar. He basically stayed with us about 80% of the time. He and DD became fast friends and are now Facebook friends. I could see them being life long friends. It was so cool.
It was a great tour. Even though it was long, I don’t feel like we saw anything we didn’t really need to and not much time, if any, was spent on the various athletic fields. The dorm we saw was their version of suite style, which is two two person bedrooms with a connecting bath. The cafeteria is amazing and everyone we spoke with raves about the food. It includes all you can eat chickfila which made my DD very happy.

We are touring OK State on Monday.
Let me say, we have no ties to either school. I thought I knew something about them coming in. I was totally wrong about OU. I had it in my head that it was bigger and in a bigger city. Norman is really pretty, especially near campus. There is a great shopping and dining area right across from campus. I was very impressed with the school and it was a great day! Can’t wait to see what Monday is like.

@disshar …sounds like a fantabulous visit! I’ve heard they go all out for NMF.

There is a good discussion going on about OU and NMF and the fees that are not covered. It wasn’t a crazy amount, but it was still like $4000 a semester. Have you seen that thread?

Thanks for the report @disshar ! OU sounds like a good choice for your dd :slight_smile:

@carachel2 :)) I think $4k per semester is a lot in just fees.

@itsgettingreal …oh I agree! But it’s better than paying like $15K for tuition! Perspective!!

I would be ticked though if OU was presented as a full ride and she got all registered and IN school and only then did we realize there was going to be $4K in fees. I would be interested to know OU is up front about that.

QOTD: How may essays (approximately) will your D or S need to write to complete all applications? Since no supplement can be 100% identical, you can count those that will be tweaked and reused as separate.

D has Common App + at least 38 more. Ouch!

@carachel2 I’ve been paying special attention to the “full rides” that exclude fees…there are a few of them like that.

@itsgettingreal17 Where is dislike button when we need it :-&
Our List has 3 schools without a supplement =D>

@itsgettingreal …D does not have a huge list thankfully. She will just have the Apply Texas essay questions and maybe 1-2 schools on the Common App. Honors and special scholarship essays have not even been counted yet. We probably have our heads in the sand on that one.

Next week is her last free week before school starts. She will need to ditch the 9-10 am summer wake-up times in favor of getting up at 7am to finish summer assignments and essays. But thankfully not 38 essays!!

QOTD: how many supplementary essays excluding CA?

For just the applications, maybe 6? At least three on her list don’t require a supplement.

However, for college-specific scholarship applications, I anticipate several more!

Lucky! It’s all the seperate apps, “optional” essays, honors, and scholarship apps. They add up. She has some color coding thing going on on her spreadsheet to revise and reuse some, but it’s still a lot of work for 15 schools.

@itsgettingreal …chasing merit but just not in the running for a lot of those for a variety of reasons so that takes the list down considerably. Rooting everyone else on though!

Supplementary essays: 10 (ranging in length from 200-600 words) for round 1 of applications…D17 is completing 5 EA, 1 ED, and 1 RD app (with an early deadline for scholarships) between now and 1 Dec. Depending on the outcome of these, she may apply to 1 ED2 and 5 more RD which I haven’t had the energy to assess for essay workload yet!

Essay completion to date: 0!

@carachel2 Just my perspective on the fees at OU after NM awards: when we visited over spring break, the NM office was very clear about what was covered and how much additional would be billed. Their was even a grumbling comment about “some online forums” continuing the myth that OU offered a full ride for NM. That’s not how they present it themselves and they want you to know all the costs and benefits upfront. It’s truly a great deal even with the fees.

@disshar Thanks for your perspective! We also had a great visit at OU. I’ll be very interested to hear your take on OkSU next week. Seems like we had a different visit experience there than some others on CC so I wonder if it was an anomaly.

Essays My D has 17 essays/writing supplements on her list. Probably a couple will overlap and a couple are really just short personal statements that go along with an activities resume. Wake Forest is the worst requiring 8! extra supplements. While this school is at the top of both her and my list - I have a feeling with her lack of demonstrated interest and all that extra work to apply it may fall to the end just out of pure laziness. This annoys me, however I am not the one that has to do the work :slight_smile: She at least has 2 schools that require nothing more than the common app essay and a Activities resume for everything including merit consideration.