Parents of the HS Class of 2017 (Part 1)

QOTD - List creation: D17 mostly drove the list, accepting some suggestions from me and picking up a few solid recommendations here on CC. We’re hoping to take a big bite of the the proverbial Big MAC, focusing on some big reach scholarships but making sure there are a few safeties thrown in, and fortunately have good in-state options. There are also a few big reach schools with no merit on the list (ivies and elite LACs). The list gets tweaked a bit here and there (we’ve tossed a few Big MACs because she really couldn’t see herself happy at those schools, but added others that were not on the list to begin with). Just planning to cast a wide net and see what happens.

As for major, two separate summer programs have piqued her interest in one particular subject, but likely she will have a very interdisciplinary focus in whatever she decides to do.

And essays/apps: she’s written a good CA essay that needs some polishing but otherwise is pretty solid, and has a few supplements down. Nowhere near submission phase, though.

DD just received a letter from Rice stating that they require applicants to submit all test scores. Although the school will consider the highest score, it wants to view all scores. It’s not clear as to whether this is a new policy. I reasoned that Rice is wanting to determine whether a student’s highest score is achieved by taking the test multiple times.

@4beardolls …just got that email here also. Wow. “…if you have taken the ACT and elected to suppress the release
of any of your scores, please release them now to ensure you meet our application deadlines.”

@carachel2, it did sound a little threatening to me.
Does anyone know if this is a new policy?

@4beardolls …agreed. And why in the heck would a student be punished for taking the test a few times in order to practice and get the best score?

I just searched CC and there is a whole thread of posts from 2014 on this subject so it appears it is not a new policy.
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/rice-university/1688638-all-act-scores-or-just-one-do-they-actually-superscore-the-sat-from-all-sittings.html

When I was sending out the SAT test scores it was the Collegeboard site that was telling me who wanted what. For UMDCP I had no option other than to send all scores.

I wonder if Rice is like that on the Collegeboard site or whether it’s too new to have been institutionalized as such.

D17’s bf is coming over tomorrow so college chat happens tonight. We need to go over the SAT 2 diagnostic tests-she says they were “ugly”. Oh well, at least she knows what to study for.

@4beardolls Does that mean you have to pay ACT for each exam to be sent? Expensive! Tell Rice to pay for it!

@STEM2017, yes, you have to pay ACT for each exam date score they send.
It’s not so bad since DD only took ACT 2x and none for SAT. I suppose it was a good decision that DD refused to take any more tests after the second ACT.

This doesn’t apply to us since D is not applying to Rice…but can they actually find out if you don’t send all tests? Do they actually take the trouble to do it? And if so… What happens?

And if a kid takes it more than once why is there an assumption that it’s a horrible thing?

There was a discussion on the SAT/ACT forum that said that students can actually have their ACT scores permanently deleted. No idea how long that takes, but deleted scores can’t be sent. :slight_smile:

@carachel2, I don’t know how they can find out but I am still shivering from reading “…if you have taken the ACT and elected to suppress the release of any of your scores, please release them now to ensure you meet our application deadlines.” :open_mouth:
On a more serious note, I think some high schools release test scores to colleges so that is one way such issue can surface.

I love reading all of your answers to how you made your lists! Our oldest is a S19 (so just starting soph year) and I would venture to say he still likes all subjects and certainly does not know what he would major in. Without that knowledge, I think we would “start” a list by looking at size, locations, and affordability. Estimating his GPA/SAT scores helps too. Also, we know he really fits where the “friendliness” factor is high and the “cut-throat” factor is low.

My list (and I say my list because I don’t even think he knows I have a list!) is currently at 20 schools. My husband and I have already explained why super highly selective schools are out - full tuition and low acceptance rates make them not worth the effort for us when so many other schools can offer him a fabulous experience. He’s sure none of his friends’ parents are starting this early but oh well!

Planning on maybe scouting a few out this spring break of sophomore year. Focusing on schools that will be in session while we are out. So happy for all of the advice on this thread!

D and I attended the free college planning seminar this morning. It wasn’t a total waste of time. I can’t say I really learned anything new, but it wasn’t bad information. And they did touch on a few things that I thought were helpful. Couple of points that stood out for me (likely not the same as everyone else in the room as they were probably hearing the term EFC for the very first time and I am sure that is what they took away)

  • Demonstrated interest - Good to increase chance of admittance but appearing too eager may decrease your grant/merit package. Never heard this before but I guess it is logical - just not how true. However he was really telling people to focus on applying to schools where you are in the top 25% of the stats. So in that case you may not need to worry so much about being accepted.
  • Social Media - He spent some time on this and it was really for the kids. The typical know who is looking at your stuff, make sure you are showing your best self on the web etc... But he also mentioned using Linked-In to create your Senior Resume. I never considered that before but it seems easy enough to do and maybe they will keep it current through college to make it easier come job search time.
  • He emphasized applying 6-10 colleges with the right "fit" for your kid. But then really didn't talk about how you determine which schools are the right fit. Just really of list of lings to consider (location, cost, safety, food, etc). He did list 5 ?s to be sure to ask on a visit and they were pretty good (though nothing new to any of us).
  • Then at the end he talked about EFC and showed some quick case studies of how he helped kids get into the best college he could for a fraction of the local flagship. Again nothing knew for me. But it bothered me that he didn't spend more time about HOW to determine which schools will give your kid grant/merit money. In fact he really didn't even mention NPCs! And the 1st case study was a 31ACT who got into Stanford and only paid $8K/yr. I really wanted to ask how exactly that is helpful at all knowing that Stanford is really just a lottery for super high achievers. But I guess he was trying to quickly show that the state flagship is not always the cheapest option. The rest were more realistic.
  • Bait at the end was that with the help of a financial planner we can show you how to move your assets before you file the FAFSA to lower your EFC, so that the FA pkgs will be better. Which honestly didn't bother me as it may be helpful to some people and the guy seems fairly honest. And I think the first 2 consultations were free. I'm not interested because our assets are fairly straightforward and much smaller than he was talking about. I am pretty sure I can spend some time googling for any tips that may help me.

Overall not bad and likely really helpful for many in the room. Just not for a CC addict :smiley: My D didn’t mind it either though she knew I already knew it all too.

Oh and D drove there and back and they to the mall as a treat. I think she may actually be ready to take the test this week - maybe…

Good news, here. I sat down with D’17 to have a come to deity moment about progress. I had my spreadsheet ready, well started at least, and a list of things for her to do. I tried to be reasonable but still came up with a long list of things to accomplish by the end of next week.

Me: “Create common app account.”
D: I already did.
Me: “Select a topic for common app and get started”
D: My Ap Lit teacher is reviewing my 2nd draft. It is still about 20 words long though.
Me: “Get your recommenders lined up.”
D: Already asked two, I have a third on standby for scholarship apps.

D: “This spreadsheet is a copy of S’14 and still has some of his stuff. There are no deadlines for 2014-01-01!”
M: “I promise I’ll clean it up and catch up this week.”

Helicopter grounded till further notice.

Catching up from vacation. Lots of real life things to do when we got home.

{{{Hugs}}} to @greeny8 and other parents with DC16s and older heading far away.

School starts Monday. DS went to school yesterday to advertise his clubs to the new freshmen getting their schedules and to get his schedule. He did get his ID card, but the long line for schedules wasn’t moving much at all. His schedule is already on the online grading portal, so he gave up on the line. I see the check for a senior T-shirt is still in his backpack.

The teachers are listed online but not the classrooms. He knows where his 2 engineering classes are, so he just has to figure out where the other two classes are. He has guesses for both. He’s happy to have the same English teacher for AP Lit that he had in 9th grade. There’s only one AP Gov’t teacher and one AP Econ teacher, so no surprises there.

He was working on his Common App essay some this morning…

How many essays? About 40 for 16 colleges. Ouch! Two EA applications due Nov. 1. But, he only has 4 classes until Sept 24. Most of his schools don’t have non-restrictive EA.

Resume: S has had a 2-page resume with topics for “Science & Engineering Activities,” “Computer Science Activities,” “Math Activities,” and “Other Activities.” I’m thinking he needs to move to one organized more like Research, Teaching/Mentoring, Honors, and Publications. Or “Academics, Skills, Extracurriculars, Awards & Achievements, Research Experience, and Community Service” as @CT1417 posted way back in #13497. I haven’t really thought it through to advise him on changes.

DH is used to CV-type resumes for the hiring he does, and says 2 pages is fine for the amount of things DS should list. So far, DS has used his resume successfully for summer programs, getting his research job, and the UC program he’s in. There is at least one college on his list that asks specifically for a 1-page resume, so he needs to create another version.

Summer reading: No summer homework at our school. DS says his summer program friends are soooo jealous. He’s already read a number of the books y’all mentioned on his own. All my old SciFi books live in bins in his bedroom. The only dystopian novel he hadn’t already read on a list an earlier teacher gave them to choose from was Handmaid’s Tale. I loved Brave New World and 1984. They changed my life, actually.

OK, he hasn’t read Crime & Punishment. I don’t think I even finished C&P when it was assigned for World Lit in college. I had influenza then, and was barely making it to class. I started identifying too much with the main character who has a fever for a lot of the book.

And, “Wuthering Heights” is probably not his idea of fun reading.

Wisdom teeth: DS now has an appointment for getting his out the first day of winter break. Luckily, he only has the top two and they aren’t complicated to remove. @CA1543, etc Good luck to others having them taken out!

Siblings at school: My kids are 4 years apart, so not likely to be in undergrad together. Too bad, because they are really good friends in addition to siblings. I suspect that S17’s safeties may be C21’s reaches–or a whole other set of schools that have Art/Film majors.

Kids reading CC: He’s read a few threads that show up on Google searches about certain essay questions. I share some things I read here. He knows there are crazy people here from what I tell him about other threads. (Not our thread, because we are friendly and awesome parents here! >:D< )

Schools on list and visits: Welcome @dcolosi – we’ve visited 8 of the 16 colleges on his list. Enough to know that he’s mainly interested in the physics and CS departments, research available there, and having plenty of kids who are smarter than him. Architecture, school size, food, and dorms haven’t been important factors for whether he will apply. He’ll do more visits after he knows where he’s admitted.

30+ years ago, I applied to 3 schools and ended up attending a school I didn’t even apply to. I didn’t tour any of them before or after admittance.

Reaction from family and friends: With friends, mostly it’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Or, “Several UCs and some others.” My sister has an S17 whose entire list is 2 colleges; our number of colleges seems at the other extreme. I’m surprised on DH’s side, but grandparents haven’t asked much. My parents are gone, but they never had a clue about remembering his age.

Dorms: The dorms he’s stayed in at Boulder and UNLV were fairly nice. That said, he wasn’t put off by the teeny, tiny dorms at Caltech, so I don’t think dorm quality is a big factor for him. I don’t think DS has seen a double converted to a triple; I’ve heard Berkeley is doing a lot of this.

School policies about college visits: Ooo, this is one I’m pretty frustrated about. Our school only “excuses” absences for the list of reasons @VickiSoCal listed in post #13921. We get a truancy letter after some number of unexcused absences and called into the principal’s office for some number after that. I’ve taken to calling most things “an appointment.” Otherwise, the 4 proctored tests and finals for his online math class and the interview for the UC program he’s in would have been unexcused. His hacking team got unexcused absences for attending national competitions and awards at NYU and CMU since the school doesn’t provide a teacher adviser or chaperone for the team.

I’m guessing most kids just get called in sick for accepted student’s events. I’m not that good at lying about the reason. They are pretty lax about requiring notes for being sick. I hate it when schools make it difficult to stay home sick, because I don’t want sick kids getting my kids sick.

Who made The List? S set the parameters–research university with strong physics and CS programs. Nerdy student population required. Our list is mostly UCs plus privates in CA. We limited the ones outside CA to ones he would choose over the UCs. List is informed by various lists of top physics programs for undergrad and grad.

I made the list and DH made a similar list that mostly agreed. I’ve tried to add a few maybes to the list, but they aren’t resonating with DS. GC looked over the list last spring and said it seemed varied enough and fit him well.

Nice to have you back @Ynotgo !

@Dave_N Way to go dd!!

]b]Everyone** thank you for your well wishes. D said the interview went smoothly. The 2 interviewers asked dh and I to join D fir the last portion, and we learned a lot of good information.

D was interviewing for a Rotary youth exchange for next year. Her odds look very good for acceptance and getting her first choice country, as long as all the paperwork is filed by mid-September.

For those who don’t know, D is homeschooled and graduating a year earlier than her age cohort. She really wants a gap year for language acquisition. Like, desperately wants.

We spent 3 hours this am digging through college websites for details about gap year deferrals. It looks like Arizona and Ohio State will fall off her list due to their policies. Oh well!

I checked our SAT score sent history, I can see D17’s first score (she took it twice) was sent to RICE. That means CB must have indicated RICE wants all history.

@4beardolls Rice has had that policy in the passed. The want to see all scores since the know some kids cannot afford to take the test more then 1-2 times. I would not think 3 times would make a difference. Now if you took it 6 times they might not be as understanding.

@carachel2 thanks, I’m actually better than I thought I’d be (however I keep thinking she is just upstairs in her room!) Leaving her was by far the worst moment of my life. It was a sad car ride home. But I talk to her every day and snap chat so I feel very connected. The worst part is having dinner and looking at an empty seat :((

@STEM2017 We visited RH when we did a midwest college tour with my son and his friends. It was not my son’s choice at all due to the size but the campus was beautiful. Nice and green with the buildings around a small lake. There were typical dorms for freshman but really nice apartment style dorms for upper classmen. We sat in on part of a class and there was a long group discussion with staff about how involved the professors get with the students. It sounded like there were ample free opportunities for tutoring as some classes were very challenging. Seniors were paid to help in freshman labs as assistants which seemed nice though there is a professor present for all the labs too. Class sizes were tiny. Terre Haute was a cute little old timey looking downtown area and some suburban sprawl with chain stores and restaurants plus a mall. Students are allowed to have cars all 4 years. My daughter may apply but the male:female ratio is dismal and some classes we walked by had 20 guys and 1 girl so I’m thinking some majors must have all the females. Lots seemed to get some merit aid but the price tag is so high I’m not sure it offsets that. It was also one of the least multicultural campuses we visited which may be offensive to my daughter–we’ll take her visit if she gets a good merit offer.