@eandesmom I would send them. I think not sending them is a good strategy for a student that has test scores that are not in line with their GPA. Since that isn’t the case here, I don’t think there is a strong reason not to.
@eandesmom I don’t have much experience with these 2 schools. But can look up our Naviance results
Ithaca College (75/102):
AVG GPA (Weighted): 3.74, AVG ACT: 25, AVG super scored SAT (1600):1163
Allegheny college: we only have 3/4, so don’t think that stat will help you with anything.
Not sure where to share this so future kids can benefit but ds took sat ii Chem today - which he had to self teach for since he is taking AP Chem this year. He said the single most useful prep tool was from an online source Reason Prep - which has a long random factoid sheet that he memorized.
Good luck to all the SAT test takers today!!!
@eandesmom I don’t know Ithaca much but I looked up a few things, and I would probably send the scores. Reasons or just comments:
– Their website says “We don’t calculate grade point averages for all applicants, but the high school averages of most admitted students range from B+ to A.” So, a B+ average is 3.33, and he is above that.
– Their CDS says they look most at rigor (which he has, even if not max), GPA (where a guess might be that he is between 25 and 50 percentile, and interest. Scores are only “considered” by them and his scores do support his GPA. There are a number of items in the “Important” column where he can excel, such as essays, recommendations, and character.
– ACT of 25 is 79th percentile and the 28 in English is 88th percentile. They are well above average scores if you look at it outside the CC bubble.
– Our rejects on Naviance for Ithaca are above the averages, which appears to mean they protect yield by rejecting kids with scores and GPAs that are too high. Average accepted ACT is 26 (but only 5 data points because not many people take ACT here). Average accepted SATs are 1142/1600 (old CR+M) and 1736/2400. Our Naviance doesn’t show unweighted, so is probably way inflated.
(PrepScholar claims that Ithaca’s average GPA is 3.58, but it seems like they might just be making that up.)
(We have no Naviance data for Allegheny.)
Hmmm, yeah I wanna know more about this IUB dinner. It’s funny how you feel left out when you hear of these events on CC for the first time! We were invited to an IUB Game Day, so we’re going for a football game in October, but I always like food!
@eandesmom Question on your son’s ACT scores. He has a 25C outright, not superscored, according to the above, right? Unless there is a typo, or I don’t understand superscoring. The second sitting seems to come out to a 25.
4-year plan This is something I would TOTALLY like to do. Too many schools in the mix right now, so I would be wasting a lot of time for no reason. Once we’ve had some results and can eliminate some schools, we can start doing that. I’ve done some general research on AP credit, but nothing too taxing.
Not sure what to advise but will add one more figure to your calculation. IC had 56% of enrolled freshmen submit SAT & 25% submit ACT scores, so only 19% did not.
Looking at our Naviance, we had similar GPA & SAT for both ED & RD but higher admit rate in early, but no distinction between ED & EA admits on profile. 82% early & 58% regular. GPA 3.21 RD & 3.14 early. ACT 27 & 25. Those grades place one in the bottom third (or lower) of the graduating class at our HS. Probably very few, if any, honors or AP classes. 52 of 78 admitted. Three attended during that timeframe. Surprised, as I thought more attended. Naviance is not always accurate.
We were not a big ACT score historically (expect that to change this year!) so I do not know how many applicants submitted ACT vs SAT.
Given that 81% submitted scores, I guess my instinct would be to submit, since he is in range…but I do not feel confident in that advice.
No info on the other school. No application history at our school.
Finally DS is done with high school standardized testing. He took SAT II in US History to go with his 3 S&Ms and feels he did decently. Time to plan for MCAT and USMLE =))
@CT1417 Some students may submit both (we did to most schools for DS), so there may be more than 19% that didn’t send scores.
@Ynotgo —absolutely correct! Thank you for pointing that out.
@srk2017 Congrats to your DS on being done with testing. What no AP/IB tests???
@rtidwell no, his sittings are 23C, 24C and the 25 is the superscore of the two.
@itsgettingreal17 yeah, my feeling has been it’s a net neutral, frankly his upward grade trend and increasing course rigor is probably the strongest part of his app (3.67 junior year gpa).
@whataboutcollege thanks, your 3/4 for Allegheny is more than anyone else so far! I am surprised folks have absolutely zero hits, that’s interesting in and of itself. If you wouldn’t mind sharing those, it’s better than nothing.
@Ynotgo I realize it’s a CC bubble and in the big picture of kids he is fine. I actually wish anyone cared about the writing scores as in his case the essay percentiles exceed the rest of his ACT at 84th percentile (24) and 93rd percentile (26). At the time they simply seemed consistent with his test but percentile wise with the debacle of the essay sections, definitely his strongest scores…that no one will look at.
@CT1417 thanks. I have absolutely no idea where he would fall if the school did rank, other than clearly above the 50th percentile. The school used to rank and stopped with the class of 2016. I didn’t think to look back then and see where he fell so all I have is the last published minor data point of this, average GPA for the 278 ranked members ofthe Class of 2015 was 3.080. Which really means absolutely nothing! His junior year was stronger and more rigorous so that should help.
@eandesmom – our school does not rank either, but publishes a school profile that indicates the # of students in each quarter point GPA range, allowing one to back into approximate rank.
I have been reading here for a long while and thought I’d delurk to help out with Ithaca and Allegheny data! D17’s high school is high performing with lots of honors and APs. Examples: Harvard (24 apps - average (W) GPA- 4.71) and UPenn (52 apps- average (W) GPA 4.57).
@eandesmom
Ithaca (all years to 2016) - 79% acceptance rate (80/101)
Average Accepted (regular- 58 students) 3.66 (W) / 1143 / 26
Average Accepted (early- 22 students) 3.74 (W) / 1143 / 24
Allegheny (all years to 2016) - 83% (5/6)
Average Accepted (regular - 5 students!) 3.67 (W) / 1082 / 25
the one early wasn’t accepted.
Ithaca really likes demonstrated interest. We loved it, but decided on nursing as the major, and they do not have it. We looked when D17 was considering OT.
D17 took the SAT again today and will take the ACT one more time in October. She’s just not a great test taker, but schools have been carefully selected to match and provide a supportive environment not too far away from home! All apps have been submitted (TG not a lot of essays & most were Common App anyway), scores arranged to be sent, 9/12 transcripts/counselor things/recommendations sent (waitng on one second LOR for three schools), and FAFSA done. Now it is just wait and see what happens.
I need a new hobby now!
@eandesmom This is the stat for Allegheny 3/4 all RD
AVG GPA (Weighted): 3.85, AVG ACT: 29, AVG super scored SAT:1325/1600; 1955/2400
lowest GPA:3.77 ACT:27 SAT:1290/1600, 1820/2400
@Ynotgo - He has IB testing but no impact on admissions and teachers prep them well.
Rich schools should be able to come up with some aid for you… @rtidwell Dang. I’m embarrassed on behalf of my entire profession.
Computers: @curiositycat333 Wow, I’d totally forgotten the TRS-80s my school had! They were clunky, but built like tanks as I recall.
EA/ED applications: No ED decisions, both because of the requirement to decide without knowing the finances, and because I strongly (very strongly) find ED unethical on the part of colleges. Two schools offer EA—one of those doesn’t also offer ED, the other does—and so she’ll be applying EA to both of those.
Best thing at a college visit: The info session at Muhlenberg. Seriously, the guy who ran it should go into stand-up.
Worst thing at a college visit: My daughter very seriously nearly collapsing from heat exhaustion after the Kansas tour. (I mean, would it kill you to make use of the air conditioning in the buildings around us on a hot-even-for-the-Midwest-in-July day?) Oddly, she still liked the school, even after that.
Fun ending to a busy week here! Admits finalized to:
University of Pittsburgh
University of Alabama
University of Texas --regional branch (won’t name of Bc it would identify us lol)
Texas A&M-- admission to Uni, awaiting holistic engineering review admissions.
Now we move on to dishing out the $$ to housing deposits. I’m thinking that is a step which will require a whole other spreadsheet?
Omg @longwood the last joke… :))
Welcome @whereyougo
Worst thing at a college visit: we get to the building at exactly 9:00 (on time mind you) and they had moved everyone out to another location because it was crowded so they pointed us in the direction of where to go but no one escorted us and we got totally lost. It was a big turn off.
Best memory of a college visit: flying in the day of and getting there so early we couldn’t check into our hotel so we went to a mall but it wasn’t opened yet so we all slept in the car in the parking lot like a bunch of hobos. It’s what we talk about most so I consider it a good memory. B-)
WOW!
Ithaca definitely seems a popular college for many kids to apply to, lots of data shared and greatly appreciated. Allegheny, not so much! Granted it’s an apples and oranges type of comparison (midsized private college to small LAC) but still, interesting.
@CT1417 ours does not provide that level of detail, so approximation is not possible. It will be interesting to see if they even provide the GPA info on the 2016 profile, which is scheduled to come out in a week or 2.
@whereyougo thanks! that is helpful, while we do not weight I believe his weighted (if we did) would be around a 3.68. It can be hard to compare W averages but it’s helpful!
@whataboutcollege thanks!