Parents of the HS Class of 2018 (Part 1)

Any grant or scholarship money can be taxable income if it covers costs other than tuition, fees, books. But there might not be tax due on it because there is a standard deduction that applies (last year up to $6,300).

Even if there was tax due, it would most likely be less than 50%, right, so you would still get some of the benefit of the scholarship.

And I don’t know if CSS profile asks that question, but FAFSA asks if student reported taxable scholarships as part of their AGI on their tax return, that amount then gets subtracted from student income.

Each school might have their own policy.

This is what we do. D has a tuition scholarship from her college. We pay room and board, fees, books. She gets a state grant, and remaining need is covered by a subsidized loan.

In her first year she had some outside scholarships, those reduced need, and therefore subsidized loan was smaller.

A school that gives their own grant money, might reduce the grants first, or work study, or loans.

But you still don’t have to cover that amount out of your pocket, or borrow it and pay back with interest.

D’s tuition scholarship is tax free. We claim books and fees for AOTC, and she reports the state grant (which can be used for housing) as taxable scholarship on her tax return.

She has work income too, so some of the grant is taxed, but it is only $150, so we are very thankful to have the grant.

We had a great second visit at UNM today. Will write more when I’m not on my phone.

@traveler98 - my D16 attends UTD. She took only Calc AB in HS. I think she got a 94 on the ALEKS test first attempt. I think you have to score a minimum of 70 or 75? She didn’t find the ALEKS too hard. I’m sure your son will do fantastic on it, he seems to do well on everything! She decided not to take calc 1 because she had AP credit for calc 1 and went straight to calc 2 and had no problems in calc 2 but has always been very strong in math. It’s a personal choice I know but she never regretted not taking calc 1 and never struggled in calc 2. I think she even got a high A in calc 2.

Thanks so much for that UTD math insight @shelleee! That helps a lot. Like your D, my S is strong in math. If he also aces ALEKS I guess calc 2 would be a good place for him. I really appreciate the info!

@traveler98 - my D16 had to file her own tax return last year for her scholarships from UTD and outside scholarships. The tuition wasn’t taxed and because it was full out of state tuition that they paid they did not send me a 1098T, but the rest was for the NMF scholarship- the housing and other cash stipends. Only one semester because it was her freshman year. she also had some local scholarships which we had to add. I was surprised to find out that She was taxed at my tax rate because of the kiddie tax rule. I had decided to sell out of her entire 529, too, because I figured with only 1 semester, and no internship, this would be her lowest tax year. I had done this before learning of the kiddie tax rule and being taxed at my rate! I told her since I was giving her the full amount of the 529 even though she earned almost a full scholarship, that she had to pay the taxes on it out of the proceeds of the 529. Since she had a scholarship, There was no penalty for withdrawing the 529. The taxes on the 529 were only on the gains.

Here a copy paste from Wikipedia about the kiddie tax- The kiddie tax rule "taxes certain unearned income of a child at the parent’s marginal rate, no matter whether the child can be claimed as a dependent on the parent’s return”. So We had to put in my AGI and highest tax rate on her return and that’s the rate she was taxed at which didn’t seem very fair and was surprising to us. So I let her claim herself. she got a standard deduction, too. And a deduction for her books- one of the learning credits- lifetime learning or something like that.

@traveler98 - what does your son plan to study? My D16 is double major. Originally was only ELectrical Engineering but after last intern job fair just added Computer Engineering as double major because she is worried about finding an internship. CE is only an extra 24 credits on top of EE so she still thinks she can finish in 4 years because she started off with 68 credits from AP- of course some of them didn’t really count but a lot of them wiped out the core classes and also wiped out Calc 1, chemistry which she didn’t need for EE but was still required for EE, etc.

@shelleee, speaking of the 529, did you look into whether you could have made a qualified distribution? I’m wondering about the non-accountable stipend portion of the scholarship. That money isn’t directly applied to the student’s bill, and is taxed. So I wonder if it would be allowable to let the student keep the stipend, and use a qualified 529 distribution to pay for the remainder of the COA. I am not suggesting I would try to illegally evade taxes of course, just wondering about the 529 rules. More research to do!

After reading this tax stuff I’m pretty sure we did D16s wrong. Her bf’'s dad is an accountant so we had him do it, but I don’t think we used our tax rate for her. And she got full ride from out of state so were we supposed to do something different because it was out of state? We’ll just hope she doesn’t get audited for that year and try to do better this time. :slight_smile:

I have no idea. I’m always worried I will mess these things up and I use the tax software. For the 529 we received a tax form and we just filled in what was on the tax form for selling the 529 so it would match what the IRS received. Like I said if I had known about the kiddie tax, we probably would have done things differently. Since D18 is a NMSF if she makes it to NMF, she us planning to go to a school on Ohio that gives a pretty good NMF scholarship so we don’t plan on selling out of her 529 all at once the way we did with D16 but D18 will have a lot of co-op money so we will have to be very careful about her tax consequences so we will really have to think about tax consequences for D18. we might have to talk to someone who knows more about taxes than me.

I looked it up- the IRS form we got was a 1099Q. But her distribution was not “qualified” because her tuition was already paid with the NMF scholarship from UTD. Some of it could have been “qualified” technically because it was for books but we used a different deduction maybe the lifetime learning credit to deduct for her books anyway.

I thought 529 funds could be used for room and board though? Argh, so complicated. Luckily there’s plenty of time to figure it out before it’s an issue, so that we can be sure to pay the proper taxes but not overpay.

@shelleee, he’s planning to major in CS but he may pick up a minor or two. His big interests at the moment are biotechnology and cybersecurity so I’m sure he’ll look into classes that will help him explore those areas. Or whatever captures his interest once he gets there.

Sure 529 can be used for room and board but your son will have either NMF or McDermott and with all that money he will have pretty much all he needs for room and board and books too. UTD has been very generous.

@katstat1 if you the school that gave her a full ride has a state tax she may or may not need to file in that state each state has their own rules. I know DS16 is National Merit at OU, we live in Texas no state tax here but she had to file in OK. It worked out to be a very small amount, like $20. She’ll have to file in OK again this year anyway because she’s working there.

@shelleee - when a kid goes to UTD on the NM scholarship, is he/she guaranteed 4 years there even if the student comes in with lots of AP credit? Or does the scholarship end whenever they have enough credits to graduate?

We have friends whose daughter went to UNLV on a NM scholarship and came in with mega AP credits. After two years or so they told her that the scholarship would end even though the girl hadn’t finished all of the classes she needed for her engineering degree. The parents flew-in from Seattle to advocate for her and they were able to win their appeal so she was allowed to stay on the scholarship until she finished all of the classes she needed.

Is your D16 going to do 4 years at UTD or will she graduate early? Does any of the NM scholarship roll over into a master’s program if the student finishes undergrad early?

Thanks

S18 had two alumni interviews today. Said one was awful and he felt the interviewer was trying to trip him up the whole time and challenging his answers. The other one he said was more what we expected - a nice back and forth conversation.

He was pretty bummed because the bad one was one of his top choice schools. We reminded him that the alumni interview doesn’t usually matter all that much as not everyone gets one and they usually only matter if the result is the complete opposite of the rest of the application.

Crossing our fingers!

S’18 has an alumni interview tomorrow. We spent dinner asking him questions.

6 apps are in - 3 left to go

Last night was probably last marching/drumline game. HS is in the playoffs, but odds are small they will win the next round. But not last time seeing drumming as the HS is doing indoor percussion this winter. So, lots more time for drumline parents to push stuff around. Still, it was probably another “last”

DD had her first weekend of her final musical at the HS. We will definitely miss seeing her perform, especially since she does not plan to pursue musical theater as a major/minor in college. It’s been a big part of her EC activities since middle school since she typically gets a major role and has been the theater club president the past 2 years, and she anticipates it will be very hard to get roles in the musicals at college if she isn’t in the theater or music department. She is eager to continue through college clubs, though, and community theater could still be an option, I think.

But for DH and me, it’s the beginning of the “last” major activity events for our youngest child and I’m sad it’s ending. Fortunately she has a few more vocal performance events during the school year, but once those wrap up I think I’m going to be a blubbering mess :(.

On the upside, now that tech week is over she plans to complete and submit her last application - yay!!! Then she goes for a college ‘student for a day’ tour at her top choice on Wednesday - the student has the same major as her and a minor in music, so DD will get to attend 3 classes and learn more about life on campus.

Hopefully one of her safety schools will send her a response on her applications soon - she’s starting to get concerned and her top choice/reach doesn’t come in until late January. DS16 had 2/3 acceptances in hand by mid-November, so no news is starting to make us all a bit nervous. An acceptance would certainly brighten her day!

@S18D20mom. Congrats on the Clemson Admission…I didn’t think they were releasing until Feb 15, exciting that they are releasing now.

S18 hit subit on his last applictation yesterday. SAT scores ordered and transcripts requested. So he is DONE. What a glorious feeling!

Just back from final pre-admission college tours. I have enjoyed them but frankly, I’m done.
The unthinkable happened: D fell head over heels in love with a lottery school. Gah! Up to now she has been unemotional as her friends frantically apply ED to the school they MUST get into. She would be happy with any number of schools on her list. Not no more. She fell hook, line and sinker. Well it’s going to be a long wait, and possibly a hard fall in the spring…