<p>“I certainly don’t see that many Republicans would not vote for Obama because of Hillary… how about they won’t vote for Obama because he is a radical liberal”</p>
<p>I’m not opposed to Obama. Although I disagree with him on every issue, I find him a genuinely good man. I’m also not wild about McCain, so Obama putting Hillary on the ticket is the surest way to get my apathetic butt off the couch and into the voting booth.</p>
<p>Well, the Republicans I’m around are as I described. Like Obama, hate Hillary, think McCain is too old.</p>
<p>Not saying I agree, just reporting in ;).</p>
<p>Zoosermom, I think we are saying the same thing. I don’t think an Obama Hillary ticket would alienate republicans as jmmom suggested.</p>
<p>“Well, the Republicans I’m around are as I described. Like Obama, hate Hillary, think McCain is too old.”</p>
<p>I’m a republican and I mostly agree. I could live with McCain’s age, but absent Hillary as a motivating factor, his stance on immigration looms very large.</p>
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<p>I will respectfully point out that though my opinion appears “amazingly narrow and self centered” to you, you ignored that I stated I prefer McCain over Obama. </p>
<p>There must be many people who feel the same way I do, because polls show that McCain leads Obama for people who think experience is more important.</p>
<p>That’s fine, munchkin, but your reply in that post seemed to be contextualized around the gender question. Sorry if I misinterpreted you. Your further comments in the same reply spoke to her supposedly being singled out in certain ways because of her gender, & that therefore this was a “gender” (my quotes) election for you.</p>
<p>And your last sentence is definitely true – not just statistically but anecdotally. However, the problem is, HRC banked on the American public as a whole preferring experience to youth, style, and a different approach. She has gambled wrong (so far), i.m.o., but time will tell, & perhaps I’ll be proved wrong.</p>
<p>Btw, I thoroughly agree with Hanna on being “a passionate supporter for a female.” Also with xiggi.</p>
<p>What experience, for God’s sake?! How is she so much more experienced than Obama? She had a front row seat to her husband’s political career, to be sure. But how is her congressional record so much more weighty, that Obama can be termed a experiential light weight by comparison?</p>
<p>Notice that the Obama supporters of the New Democratic Party still cannot holster their arrogance or resist the urge to tell Clinton’s 18 million supporters why they are idiots or why they won’t be good citizens unless they vote for the New Democrat in November.</p>
<p>“Passionate supporters for a female President - What do you plan to do next?”</p>
<p>I love Hillary but will absolutely support Obama as my party’s nominee. I would never even consider for a moment casting a vote for McCain. McCain is a great American. He is very smart and absolutely likable. I strongly believe that he loves his country and believe that he has the best plan. I don’t doubt this is true but I have no interest in continuing a surge and escalating a war. I do not feel safer in 2008 then I did in 2001 and believe that the amount of terrorists has greatly increased due to our globally aggressive behavior. As for the economy…how could anyone not want a change. </p>
<p>The moment that Hillary decides she is out I will support Obama 1000%! I think Obama is a great candidate and very qualified. I voted for Clinton because I think she had better qualifications. The VP decision is up to the party’s nominee and I will respect the decision of the nominee.</p>
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<p>It’s more a case of them exhorting Clinton’s 18 million supporters not to ignore their own similar policies and common cause with Sen. Obama by voting for yet another Old Republican in November. </p>
<p>To make such a mistake out of sheer spite would be double folly.</p>
<p>To OP: I understand what you are saying. But before you vote for John McCain, just consider one fact: Obama treats his wife with utmost respect and is comfortable with her being a strong woman. John McCain is your standard issue insecure ‘macho’ male who got himself a pretty wife with money and doesn’t mind calling her a ‘c*nt’ in public.</p>
<p>If you can’t vote for a woman as President, at least you could vote for a man who can live with a strong wife.</p>
<p>I don’t know what post #48 refers to, but you can count me out of such sweeping generalizations & characterizations.</p>
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<p>Uhh, Obama does have a plan for “universal” health care for those who want it (his plan, unlike Hillary’s doesn’t FORCE people into it).</p>
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<p>And pray-tell what “experience” that may be?</p>
<p>Hillary’s foreign policy “experience” was her giving a no. of SPEECHES overseas (hey, aren’t they “just words”).</p>
<p>And let’s not forget, Hillary got elected to the open NY State Senate seat based on nothing but her name recognition for having been the First Lady (esp. considering she had ZERO connection to NY). When Hillary announced, the Democrats who had been in the race (lifetime New Yorkers w/ actual experience as elected officials) meekly dropped out (so much for the lifetime of hard work they put in as public servants, unlike Hillary - where was the outcry over that?).</p>
<p>And if Hillary has so much more “experience” – why did she run such a horrible campaign (including hiring terrible campaign managers). The fact that she lost when she had an OVERWHELMING advantage in name recognition, $$$, support from the Democratic party machine, etc. is, frankly, embarrassing.</p>
<p>As for McCain’s “experience” (make that foreign policy experience, since he already admitted that he knows little about the economy) – that “experience” gave him the SAME BAD JUDGMENT as Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld in believing that the Iraq invasion would be “easy” and that we would be greeted as “liberators”.</p>
<p>[YouTube</a> - John McCain vs. John McCain](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI&feature=related]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI&feature=related)</p>
<p>[YouTube</a> - McCain’s YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c)</p>
<p>So much for the “straight-talk express”.</p>
<p>And McCain “knows so much” about foreign affairs that he isn’t even cognizant that Somalia is a hotbed of Al Qaeda activity (where they have significant support among the local populace).</p>
<p>[YouTube</a> - John McCain Gets Owned on Meet The Press](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs&feature=related]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs&feature=related)</p>
<p>The more McCain opens his mouth, the more his ignorance shows.</p>
<p>Full disclosure - I’m a lifelong Republican who supported McCain back in 2000.</p>
<p>(As for “arrogance” - Hillary supporters take the cake in that dept.)</p>
<p>I would like to see Obama’s ideas expressed in the Senate first. Let’s see how unifying he can be here. Before, I let this neophyte experiment in the White House. We can ill afford an on the job training program for POTUS. If his ideas have merit, his oratory skills should be able to persuade his fellow Senators! If not give me Grandpa McCain’s wisdom and years of experience!</p>
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<p>Again, we don’t need Obama supporters telling us that our reasons for voting, whatever they may be, are “double folly”. That is really not for Obama supporters to judge, thank-you very much. Last I checked, voters (except those in Michigan and Florida) are permitted to register their preferences at the polls for whatever reasons they see fit.</p>
<p>I perceive zero “common cause” with Obama. Less than zero. I basically detest those he has chosen to surround himself with – from Tom Daschle to John Kerry to Bill Ayers to Jeramiah Wright to Louis Farrakhan to Tony Rezko.</p>
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<p>Hard to avoid John Kerry as the Democratic frontrunner. And Obama doesn’t even know Louis Farrakhan. They’re not friends, partners, chums, or associates. They both happen to be black. </p>
<p>ID, just go ahead and vote for McCain or stay home. Just don’t complain should McCain turn out to be a misogynist (because referring to a woman as a “****” is just that) Bush with an attitude, itchy trigger finger, beef against gay marriage and abortion, and two decades old the-economy-will-fix-itself strategy.</p>
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<p>Then you probably haven’t been paying very close attention to their senate voting records and the positions they’ve supported, because the similarities are striking:</p>
<p>[Clinton</a> versus Obama: Is there any difference? - Tom Curry - MSNBC.com](<a href=“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15920730]Clinton”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15920730)</p>
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<p>"On Congressional Quarterly’s tally of how often senators support Bush’s positions on issues coming before the Senate, in 2005 Clinton earned a 31 out of 100 rating (with 100 meaning totally supportive of Bush) and Obama got a 33. </p>
<p>On the National Journal scale of liberal to conservative positions, again based on roll call votes in 2005, Obama rated an 82.5 (meaning he was more liberal than 82.5 percent of his Senate colleagues) and Clinton a 79.8.</p>
<p>Ideological peas in a pod?
On most issues Obama and Clinton have voted in tandem. So if they are almost two peas in a pod, why prefer one to the other?</p>
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Its the lack of gaping differences in issues that has had me on the fence between Obama and Clinton. Initially I also saw very few personality differences, both smart as whips, analytical, great speakers, compassionate…and then at some point HRC just crumbled, just totally lost credibility with me, and started to sound dishonest. </p>
<p>I hope he offers her a nice important cabinet position, but not veep.</p>
<p>I just wrote the following to my son who just sent me a youtube video comparing Obama and McCain. </p>
<p>"You need to go out there and campaign and convince borderline folks in Wisconsin that Obama is the guy to vote for. Or better yet, the folks in Florida and Ohio or wherever who have put up with all the junk foisted on their candidate by the other group in the primaries. You need to make up with the ones who supported and voted for Clinton who are hearing the tales of Reverend Wright and all the other stuff like his uncle in Kenya and his dealings in Chicago and his “arab” middle name and his uppity wife–just like Hillary, an uppity wife–all the stuff the Republicans will pull out and use against him, over and over again. And maybe there’s more even if it isn’t in the slightest bit truthful. It will be a ruthless campaign. You need to get involved if it matters to you. He is up against a decorated war veteran with grey hair and experience who can’t talk worth s–t but it won’t matter…That’s my two cents.</p>
<p>I agree with post #58.</p>
<p>(1) One of the major reasons she lost to him is a difference in style. It will reduce <em>his</em> appeal if he shares a ticket with her, i.m.o. It will not expand the appeal of the ticket. </p>
<p>(2) The particular white working-class voters who had no intention of voting for an educated black man in the primaries will not necessarily be more inclined to vote for him just because she’s on the ticket. Again, do not mistake Primary patterns for GE ones. Those who did not vote so much AGAINST him, as FOR her, will not turn against him in the GE if she’s <em>not</em> on the ticket.</p>
<p>(3) As many others have said, putting her on the ticket risks not only diluting his appeal, but more importantly, igniting the currently lukewarm Republican conservative base, who will be delighted to vote against her in the GE.</p>
<p>(4) The kind of electoral extortion going on right now by bitter Clintonites, that says, Put Her On The Ticket or We Stay Home, is really ugly & transparent, & risks disillusioning young voters. The word is out that at a recent meeting with Obama she was asked what she wants now. Her reply was that she wants to be offered the VP position only to turn it down, and that further the condition of such an offer would be that he also not after the fact offer the VP spot to ANY other woman. Wow. What a cross between Eva Peron and Leona Helmsley. And I thought her <em>husband</em> had a big ego.</p>