Paterson Proposes New Tuition Plan

<p>Gov. Paterson has proposed allowing SUNY and CUNY schools to set their own tuition -- New</a> York Governor’s Plan Would Let SUNY and CUNY Set Tuition - NYTimes.com</p>

<p>what's not addressed, at least in this article, is whether such increases will result in corresponding decreases in the state's funding -- ie whether Paterson plans to pocket at least part of any such increases as he did with the last SUNY tuition increase (in first year, state took 90% of the increase, i believe they keep 80% of it in year two). </p>

<p>in general, the idea of giving the SUNY's more control over their tuition sounds good and has often been suggested on this forum -- i'm just suspicious of Paterson given his past treatment of the SUNY's</p>

<p>i would just urge that as more info become available, people contact their legislators to make sure that any change in SUNY's tuition plan actually allows the SUNY's to maintain (and improve!) their quality while remaining affordable for state residents.</p>

<p>Agreed. Lets just hope the money stays at the local SUNY campus. I know Geneseo has been pushing for this for years!</p>

<p>According to an article on UB's website, the proposal "moves tuition outside the state budget process, allowing SUNY and CUNY to receive and disburse revenues from tuition and self-supporting program activities without an appropriation.</p>

<p>Paterson</a> announces historic reforms for SUNY - UB Reporter</p>

<p>UB also posted a FAQ here that may be of interest:
Setting</a> the Record Straight on the Public Higher Education Empowerment and Innovation Act</p>

<p>For those who may be wondering about tuition increases, the proposal mandates that campuses cannot increase tuition by more than 2.5 times the 5 yr rolling average of HEPI. That would be a maximum increase of around 9.6% right now. It also stipulates that TAP eligible students would not have more unmet need than they currently have.</p>

<p>the issue still remains as to whether the state will use this as an excuse to cut the amount they allocate to the SUNY's -- even though tuition setting may be outside of the budget process, the state will still be determining what to allocate to the SUNY's from the state budget -- tuition does not fund the full cost of the state university system by definition.</p>

<p>i'm just urging people to remain vigilent on that issue and not to assume that Paterson is offering to give the SUNY's something without taking something back with the other hand down the road in the budget allocation.</p>

<p>Be careful of what you wish for because you might just get it.</p>

<p>Get ready for higher tuition and higher taxes!</p>

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CUNY would be cut $47.7 million and SUNY senior colleges $95 million, though they would be granted authority to set their own tuition rates under the plan.

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Gov</a>. Paterson proposes record $134 billion state budget with major education, health care cuts</p>

<p>the Governor giveth and the Governor taketh away.</p>

<p>Not surprising, the plan to give SUNY's and CUNY's tuition control is just going to make it easier for him to justify the slashes in their budgets. I'd like to hear from SUNY as to what type of tuition increase would be needed to make up for such cuts.</p>

<p>As much as it'd be nice for SUNY to have more autonomy, I think Pateson is in essence trying to make them the bad guys -- not his fault SUNY tuition is going to skyrocket. Meanwhile his budget cuts are what will make such skyrocketing tuition increases necessary.</p>

<p>I would urge people to contact their legislators BOTH to support more autonomy for SUNY but ALSO to oppose significant budget cuts for SUNY. SUNY is still suffering from huge cuts that were already imposed in the past budget year -- when tuition increases went 90% into the state's pocket.</p>

<p>Although this sounds bad, I'm not sure the numbers really translate into skyrocketing tuition...at least not immediately. The 2009 tuition increases alone amounted to approximately $150M in additional revenue this year. Eliminating the state's sweep of tuition, along with eliminating the current tithe on research funding and other "self supporting programs" - approximately $48M in FY09 - would seem to make up for the proposed SUNY cut. Given that SUNY is enjoying unprecedented enrollment highs and the SUNY unallocated general fund (which is used to fill budget gaps at campuses that may have a shortfall due to declining enrollment) had a balance close to $500M last year, and seems to be growing, the two proposals make fiscal sense in a time when there must be massive cuts to the state budget. </p>

<p>I'm sure this is not a popular opinion, but I would rather have SUNY cuts/tuition increases than to see deeper cuts to healthcare, police, and school districts. The latter has the shameful effect of forcing the elderly and low income population out of their homes due to skyrocketing property taxes as the counties and school districts scramble to make up the shortfall.</p>

<p>For those who missed it, NY's general fund was almost totally depleted at the end of 2009:
NY's</a> general fund almost out of money - Crain's New York Business</p>

<p>Here is SUNY Chancellor Zimpher's testimony to the NYS Senate Finance and Assembly Ways and Means Committees today:
The</a> State University of New York -</p>

<p>How will limiting OOS enrollment help the budget crisis?</p>

<p>suny chancellor was quoted in newsday today -- </p>

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Referring to Gov. David A. Paterson's proposed budget, Chancellor Nancy Zimpher said, "This is extremely threatening to our ability to continue to provide a quality educational experience to students."

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<p>(newsday no longer offers free on line access, so i am not putting a link)</p>

<p>that's pretty blunt and to the point.</p>

<p>NOW is the time to contact your legislators as they are considering the budget.
the role the sunys play in the state economy is too important.</p>

<p>Bumping this up to update...the governor and Senate are still a go for the SUNY autonomy plan. According to this NYT article, the majority in the Assembly are vehemently opposed to the plan which is now holding up the state budget:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/nyregion/23suny.html?scp=1&sq=New%20York%20Budget%20Talks%20Stall%20on%20University%20Proposal&st=cse%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/nyregion/23suny.html?scp=1&sq=New%20York%20Budget%20Talks%20Stall%20on%20University%20Proposal&st=cse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I saw no mention of the "two-tier" system in earlier reports...has anyone seen a clear explanation of this? If this would allow SB and Hunter to rise at a higher multiple of the HEPI, I assume the same would be true for Bing, Geneseo, and UB.</p>

<p>This changes daily...from yesterday...doesn't look so promising.</p>

<p>No</a> shutdown, no deal either -- Page 1 -- Times Union - Albany NY</p>

<p>Not sure how to define what an elite institution is in the SUNY system...they site SB and Hunter, but do not explain why...If I had to guess, I'd say the research centers. But, yeah it seems that another multiplier would be used.</p>

<p>The SUNY webpage is being updated with many news links...don't have time to read them all but found this in the 6/25 Times Union story:</p>

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Our greatest concern is the "Rational Tuition Policy," which calls for "modest, annual and predictable tuition increases." Increases at most SUNY and CUNY campuses would be capped at one and a half times the five-year rolling average for the Higher Education Price Index, an annual measure of the costs colleges typically have. The index usually rises faster than inflation. For 14 top campuses, including the University at Albany, the cap would be two and a half times the index. </p>

<p>That formula could allow dramatic hikes that far outstrip inflation. Had this policy been in effect since 1995, tuition today could be almost $7,200 at most SUNY and CUNY schools and more than $11,500 at select ones, compared with the current $4,970. Such increases would be neither modest nor rational.

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<p>So it looks like a dozen more schools, beyond Hunter and Stony Brook, would use the increased multiplier. Here's the link to the suny news page:
suny.edu</a> -</p>

<p>It appears that we finally have a budget...without the proposed SUNY changes. </p>

<p>wgrz.com</a> | Buffalo, NY | New York State Senate Passes Late Budget</p>

<p>A Couple of comments from suny.edu:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.suny.edu/Files/sunynewsFiles/Pdf/Chronicle-ChancellorShowsHerMettle.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.suny.edu/Files/sunynewsFiles/Pdf/Chronicle-ChancellorShowsHerMettle.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Power</a> the Innovation Economy | syracuse.com</p>

<p>Albany</a> inaction turns UB 2020 into UB 2030 - The Buffalo News</p>

<p>suny.edu</a> - SUNY News</p>