<p>First they can’t convict a guy caught redhanded killing a woman. They did not think he had INTENT??? He got hollowpoints and practiced. Was he just trying to scare them??? I could personally beat these jurors. Then they would let me off because I had anger issues.</p>
<p>Just when you think Seattlites (no offense intended, EK) can’t get any more loopy a story like this comes along. Does Washington use the M’Naughton rule for criminal insanity? If so, this guy should be heading for life in prison. What an amazingly stupid verdict.</p>
<p>Oh, yeah. The carbon in cut trees is not ancient. There’s no real carbon problem with burning trees as long as the net biomass isn’t changing.</p>
<p>When you read the requests the jury sent to the judge you can see the jurors appeared more interested in philosophy than their obligation under the Law. One of their requests was for a definition of the words “right” and “wrong.”</p>
<p>I’m very disgusted with the outcome of the trial. I was watching the news and thought I was watching one of those Law and Order episodes when the jury lets a cold-blooded killer go free, but this was no made-for-TV story.</p>
<p>As I understood the original articles, the question wasn’t whether he had committed the murders, but whether he was insane at the time. I think the judge’s instructions to the jury must have been at fault, not the jury’s judgment.
I’ve been on a jury; it’s not as simple as it looks.</p>
<p>There will be another trial. He’s not being let go free.</p>
<p>Frankly, I’ve been the victim of beach bonfires–try living next door to people who light them with gasoline and use them to dispose of kitchen trash–and frankly, any method you can think of to stop them is fine with me.</p>
<p>dmd, our next door neighbor once decided to burn a pile of styrofoam :eek: ! I think he doused it with gasoline, too. I really wanted to call 911 that afternoon. When people burn their trash to save on garbage costs, that’s disgusting! Small beach bonfires for marshmallow roasting - I would not have a problem with that, even if I lived nearby. Unfortunately, sometimes beachgoers start experimenting with various non-wood objects they could throw into the fire, and then things get out of control.</p>
<p>dmd-the stupid jury did not think he had INTENT. It did not even get to sanity. They are bleeding heart stupid morons who would not know a criminal if he punched them in the face.</p>
<p>In Oregon, we do not have much of an inland beach like Seattle/Puget Sound; Instead we have a continuous beach that is designated as a public highway.</p>
<p>When my parents bought our Oregon coastal cabin, the beach literally had 50+ feet depth, of logs and stumps and lumber and general woody debris. Hated to go the beach because the case of splinters from the dry wood. Fires on the beach was banned and enforced strenuously because a uncontrolled fire travel would quickly up and down the coastal beach and into the forests fanned by the strong sea wind. Fire protection was very limited then and widely dispersed. </p>
<p>Along comes the energy crisis of the early 70’s. Our Governor, Tom McCall, (the guy who said to Californians to please come to visit us, but don’t stay) decided to solve three problems with a simple solution. Anybody can collect driftwood from the beach, for fuel, cut your own (already allowed, never had been any restrictions). In three years 300 miles of beach was literally cleared of driftwood. Today, the ban on beach fires is long removed, you must buy wood from the locals or bring your own wood. I, myself, hated to go to the beach to cut wood because the sand quickly dulled the chain teeth…I always spent more time sharpening than sawing. Easier to fall a tree or pickup downed alder/dougfir.</p>
<p>PC, Oregonian, S, accepted another internship/consultancy, this time in Barron’s Land of Stupids. S does not like the Beach so vanity bonfires are not an issue with him. Lookout, Washington/Seattle.</p>
<p>You sound normal. Don’t you dare leave Seattle.
he doesn’t live in Seattle- he lives in a controlled community well outside.
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<p>Wow every photo looks like a real diverse community- not</p>
<p>Death Penalty and Ethics
Does Washington have a death penalty? (Actually, it does). Maybe this jury has ethical qualms with the death penalty and suspects this man will get the death penalty if convicted. If so, this has nothing to do with PC. It has to do with toying with a man’s life.</p>
<p>EK, in my opinion the apparent diversity in the various parts of Seattle is just a thin veneer over groupthink as powerful as any the Soviets came up with. If you prove me wrong, go ahead and convince me that Barrons would be welcome in Capital Hill. Seattle’s neighborhoods are just as homogeneous and intolerant as whatever you perceive in Snoqualmie. I’d also bet a nickel that Barrons has a pretty good understanding of Seattle and that you’ve never been in Snoqualmie Ridge. Is it this easy to have a deep understanding of anywhere from reading real estate ads? Also, what do you mean by “diversity” and how do you measure it? If Snoqualmie Ridge is anything like Redmond Ridge (what is up with all these “ridges” anyway?), it’s far more culturally diverse than you think it is from over there on the expensive side of the lake. Generally speaking, I find Seattlites to be insular and disdainful of anyone different from themselves. It’s pretty sad, really. “Diversity” to most Seattlites means “people who think like I do.”</p>
<p>I don’t live in any ridge, or any right-thinking diverse Seattle neighborhood, but I can tell you that my little 10-house street has a married couple in every house. Counting just the owners (and not kids and adult relatives living there) there are 2 Chinese, 2 Irish, 2 Romanians, 1 Canadian, 1 English, and 12 Americans on the block. These are not cultural identifications, these are actual “where were you born and raised” backgrounds. Sounds pretty darned diverse to me.</p>
<p>Lastly, how can you spot diversity in a photo? Are facial features and skin tone the only “diversity” you recognize? Pretty shallow way to think of people, IMO.</p>
<p>Well, I did spend my first 12 years in Seattle in GreenLake and at 19th and Jefferson in the CD. After 4 home breakins, at least six car breakins, and disgust with the general filth and local mankind I did find a nice safe clean place to live far from all that. Up on the Ridge I’m one of the relatively few minority folks and that’s OK with me. There are a few AA families, a fair number of Asians and Indians and lots of white folks. In four years here no breakins of any kind, lower insurance rates by far and a feeling I could walk through town at 2am without a worry as could my wife. We’re staying.</p>
<p>Washdad: “…the apparent diversity in the various parts of Seattle is just a thin veneer over groupthink as powerful as any the Soviets came up with”</p>
<p>This is SO TRUE!!! There are certain things which are OK in Seattle, and if you dare go in another direction, you do so at your peril. </p>
<p>I went to a brainstorming forum on a political matter there - it was supposed to be an open and educational exchange of ideas. It was nothing but a WALL of opinion from one side, with nothing from the other. One person courageously asked a question inquiring about the possibility of a different way to look at the issues, and the people on the panel (ALL of whom represented the exact same viewpoint) looked like they were going to send him away for 20 years of re-education! Many of the folks in the audience were squirming, but other than that one brave soul not one of us dared to challenge the official position being downloaded to us. Not even Spideygirl. :(</p>
<p>Washdad: “If you prove me wrong, go ahead and convince me that Barrons would be welcome in Capital Hill.”</p>
<p>I’ll challenge you on that. If your point has to do with Barron’s being African-American, then heck, yeah he would be welcome on Capitol Hill or anywhere else in the Seattle Metro Area. I’ve never found Seattle to be a bigoted place when it comes to race. He’d be welcome for sure. Unless he is a conservative Republican. Then it doesn’t matter what color his skin is. He better not go out past dark unless he lives on the Eastside (where politics are more mixed). You keep you mouth shut in Seattle if you have conservative views, otherwise people will either think you are a Fascist, a nut, or just a horrible person in general. You WILL be discriminated against if you don’t drink the Kool-Aid in liberal Seattle.</p>
<p>Here are talking points/advice for anyone who plans on visiting the area:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Global warming is happening – there is no room for discussion or debate (don’t even dare).</p></li>
<li><p>George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove are evil men who like to send boys to their deaths in battle so they can steal oil and get rich. You MUST hate Bush to live in Seattle. Put a bumpersticker on your car proclaiming it to the world.</p></li>
<li><p>Spend ridiculous amounts of time doing self-promoting things in the community which appear to be environmentally sensitive (even if in the end what you do doesn’t really help the environment at all - it just has to look, sound, and feel good).</p></li>
<li><p>We are not in any danger from Extreme Islamic Fundamentalism – Bush made all of it up. Once Obama sits and chats with those folks, terrorism will end (and it really never was a problem anyway).</p></li>
<li><p>Dress in clothing which is made from vegetable dyed cotton, wear nerdy glasses (even if they are not really prescription), and carry cloth sacks for groceries to save trees. Own and display products made from hemp.</p></li>
<li><p>Wear Patchouli oil perfume (or however you spell it).</p></li>
<li><p>Speak slowly and calmly, with a tinge of phony intellectualism and a whole lot of affectation (yet secretly be extremely passive-aggressive).</p></li>
</ol>
<p>WashDad asks: “what is up with all these “ridges” anyway?”</p>
<p>That’s geological. If you look at a topo map of the area, you will see long lines of ridges spreading out from Mt Rainier. If you drive across Bellevue on NE 8th, for example, you will go up and down, up and down. Those ridges are old lava flows from Mt Rainier. The ones in Bellevue are quite old; the glaciers came and carved out lakes along the path of the ridges. Lake Sammamish and Lake Washington are both glacier paths.</p>
<p>Spideygirl: As for global warming, no one questions that it is happening (the data is incontrovertible). I believe some people believe it is part of a natural cycle and not the result of human meddling.</p>
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WashDad asks: “what is up with all these “ridges” anyway?” [\quote]</p>
<p>yes, they are the high points that didn’t get eroded by the last glaciation. Next time the glaciers are that deep, who knows.</p>
<p>dmd77, you are my geo-hero for knowing this.
now can you talk sense to those blaming the US for subsidence of Pacific atolls? It’s not global warming if only your island is sinking…its the same thing that has been happening all along. Volcano builds it up. Coral reef envelops it, volcano sinks, island/reef sinks. The circle of life, geology style. </p>