Penn CAS vs. Cornell CALS

<p>Bottom line: go with personal fit. Academically, you won't go wrong either way.</p>

<p>45 Percenter is on the money.</p>

<p>As for Y7ongjun/Kokuqu: only Berkeley and Stanford have top-10 rankings for most of their departments. Even Harvard, Yale and Princeton (<em>GASP</em>) have "merely" top-20 or top-30 showings in things like engineering (Yale/Harvard), medicine (Yale), philosophy (Yale, when those rankings came out, anyway) and so on.</p>

<p>In fact, if you looked at the average of all departments by score, Penn comes out AHEAD of HYP. Check out the sorted data here:
United</a> States National Research Council rankings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>

<p>Anyway you break it down, Penn is a powerhouse. Cornell most certainly is, as well. I was only speaking to the selectivity of the undergraduate body.</p>

<p>But the point is, Kokuqu/Y7ongjun cherry picks data and doesn't show the according statistics for colleges "better" than Penn.</p>

<p>For example: Harvard is 17th for French, 21 for linguistics (Penn is #5...), 38 in physiology (where Penn is #3) and so on.</p>

<p>In other words, for ANY college you can compose a list of abysmal departments. With any sort of scrutiny, your argument falls to pieces. Kind of like the threads that you "contribute" to on this forum. Does my internet connection deceive me, or did you just get another thread shut down from your inane posting?</p>

<p>^ Looks like our friend Kokuqu/Y7ongjun has been shown the exit, with all of his posts deleted, leaving the erroneous impression that in posts #16 and #17, I was disputing monydad . . . and myself!</p>

<p>Aw man, I really liked that guy, I found his posts highly entertaining.
Of course, I am not affiliated with Penn. But as an outsider it was really funny having him make all these bizarre allegations and then you guys busting bloood vessels actually taking him seriously and trying to dispute all his little points.</p>

<p>It would have made more sense, for this thread anyway, to leave #16-17 here, they weren't so terrible (not up to his usual standards) and would at least have made the other posts still make sense.</p>

<p>^ You mean that you don't respond when trolls unjustifiably trash Cornell? ;)</p>

<p>I only respond when I think that potential Penn applicants/matriculants might possibly be dissuaded from applying/attending by a misleading post. Remember that for every kid who posts here, there are probably tens or hundreds more who read but don't post.</p>

<p>In any event, it apparently is now left to YOU, sir, to initate threads such as: "Why do so few Penn Economics majors get accepted to the main branch of Le Cordon Bleu in Paris?" And don't forget to add a few "LOLs." :p</p>

<p>I would go with Cornell.</p>

<p>Reasons, Wharton school of business is one of the best in the world, however that is the Wharton School of Business. CAS and CAL is not that far apart. However, if your goal is medical school, I would choose CALS. Medical school can be very rigorous and a rigorous undergrad program can better prepare you for successfully completing medical school than a not as rigorous school. Cornell is one of the hardest Ivy League to graduate from, because you work your butt off for that A or B. The high demands of Cornell CALS will make you more than ready for completing medical school.</p>

<p>Now, I am sure that the CAS program is no walk in the park. I am also sure that you can be ready for medical school after completing CAS, however I would choose CALS because its more rigorous. </p>

<p>Also, most educated people will know the difference between PENN and Penn State, but there is a lot of people out there that dont know the diffrence, many people really believe that when one say the University of Pennslyvania, they are refering to a state school, but most educated people do know the difference.</p>

<p>I would disagree with that. I have told a lot of educated people where I'm going, and they still think it's Penn State. It's not only where one is educated, but also their geographical location. Here (in Oregon), many people have never heard of Penn and have no idea it's an Ivy.</p>

<p>Jamaica, I'm not sure why you think Penn's pre-med track would be any easier than Cornell's. Everything I have heard leads me to the impression that the pre-med track at Penn is an incredibly rigorous path to take and will provide one with the best level of preparation for medical school. I'm sure Cornell is also at this level, but I am confused as to why you would think Penn would prepare you any less sufficiently than Cornell. Also Consider that Penn's medical school (which is right next to the Quad on campus, as opposed to all in the way in NYC as Cornell's is), has consistently been grouped with Harvard and Johns Hopkins. Right now, I even think it is ranked in between the two. These schools have been regarded as the top three for a long, long time.</p>

<p>@poeme, we are not talking about PENN'S Medical School, we are talking about the Undergrad school. I am sure that PENN has a good undergrad program, but Cornell Premed track is consistently ranked among the best. PENN is known for business, and Cornell for Engineering and Sciences. If the OP was a business major then PENN would be the best Choice. Since the OP is a science major, i would give the nod to Cornell.</p>

<p>Also, some Ivies are known for being not that rigorous. Cornell is known for demanding courses that requires strong knowledge in the subject content in order to obtain a decent grade. If the OP wishes to go to medical school, I believe that the rigors at Cornell will better prepare him/her. that being said, I am sure that PENN sends many to medical school, and have a great program. I just believe that one will be better prepared coming from a more rigorous program (Cornell CALS).</p>

<p>@JacyPenn, yes PENN may be the least known Ivy, and yes PENN may not have the name recognition as the other Ivies in the general public, but most (not all) educated people do know about PENN and that it is a great school. I do hate talking to some people about PENN though, because as you say "PENN" you gotta clarify that it's not Penn State or a Public School.</p>

<p>re: #26, I didn't say that YOU did, or should have, found it entertaining, just that I did.
And no, it is not up to me to carry on, I don't do that sort of thing.</p>

<p>BTW I imagine Penn prepares students for med school quite admirably.
And Penn vs. Penn State is hardly a sound basis to make a college matriculation decision.</p>

<p>I think he was joking, monydad.</p>

<p>@Jamaica: why do you write "PENN" instead of "Penn"? You don't seem to write CORNELL. It's kind of jarring when I read your posts...</p>

<p>Jamaica, I still don't quite agree with what you are saying. The medical school does have a big influence on the undergraduate program, especially when it is right there as with Penn. There are many doctors in my family, including one that did pre-med at Johns Hopkins. One of the first thing one of these doctors noted about Penn was that the medical school is very conveniently located. I am pretty sure that most ivies have very similar pre-med opportunities. If any schools had a less rigorous program, it would probably be Brown and Dartmouth since they are not schools that excel in that area. The rest would probably prepare one in a way that would that would be almost indistinguishable. At this level though, one isn't necessarily better than the other in broad terms, but rather for personal reasons.</p>

<p>Penn med is ranked #2 this year, ahead of Hopkins and behind only Harvard. Preeeeetty crazy stuff.</p>

<p>Sorry for the big caps. Poeme, I believe you are correct with the Brown/ Dartmouth assertion. In reality the OP cannot go wrong with either choices (Penn/Cornel). I just hope you understand what I am getting at with the rigors for medical school.</p>

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I was. :)</p>

<p>Perhaps monydad was, also?</p>

<p>"Perhaps monydad was, also?"</p>

<p>All I can say is, if you see a new thread soon, from new poster dadynom7yq, titled "Why can't incompetent Penn nincompoops place grads in University of Beijing's Ornamental Horticulture Program", you shoud not be completely surprised.</p>

<p>You heard it here first.</p>

<p>Both Penn and Cornell are know as the easiest Ivys.<br>
The Prestige and Reputaionof two schools are the same.</p>

<p>They simply dont compare, Penn is above Cornell. Dont listen to this retard, look at all his posts and you will see what I mean. DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM.</p>

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<p>lol .</p>