Penn State fraternity and 18 of its members are charged in student's death

Grand jury recommends changes at Penn State after Timothy Piazza death…
http://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/crime/2017/12/15/grand-jury-recommends-changes-penn-state-after-timothy-piazza-death/955497001/

PSU beter work on the leadership sooner than later…

“We are shaken and appalled by the findings of Penn State’s long-time knowledge of dangerous hazing, the excessive drinking culture, sexual assaults and other abusive behavior, and the university’s preference to ignore and/or condone such behavior, to better promote itself as a “fun place to go to school” rather than a great place to get an education,” Jim and Evelyn Piazza said in a written statement distributed by their attorney, Thomas Kline."

Grand Jury Releases Report On Penn State Greek Life, Recommends 12 Changes…
http://onwardstate.com/2017/12/15/grand-jury-releases-report-on-penn-state-greek-life-ecommends-12-changes/

“As for why young men submit: it’s the story of the frog. if you throw it into a pot of boiling water, it jumps out. if you throw it into lukewarm water it swims around even if the temperature rises little by little. And when the water’s really hot, the frog is half cooked and can’t get out…
Submitting to peer pressure doesn’t mean you consent.”

This may be true for some, but in my experience, lots of young people seek out the hazing experiences they’ve heard about. When a fraternity chapter reboots under national supervision and genuinely stops hazing, it often suffers in recruitment and can only attract the students without other options who are viewed as nerds or losers.

Whether the participants consented isn’t the right question when it comes to Piazza problems. Abuse is illegal and wrong even if the pledges know exactly what they’ve signed up for. State law says student organizations can’t do things that endanger anyone’s physical or mental health. State law says adults can’t serve underaged people, and you can’t serve anyone 18 shots of hard liquor. State law says if you do, you’re liable for the harm that befalls them. Consent doesn’t vitiate any of that.

Should fraternities be permanently banned for bad behavior?..
http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/12/should_fraternities_be_permanently_banned_for_bad.html

FIU suspends Greek life following trouble on other campuses…
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article190017459.html

@citivas “Changes nothing. This is a school. Frats and sports programs should only exist to the extent they contribute positively to the overall academic culture. Even worse, it’s a public school. Theoretically a really bad private school could decide to prioritize sports and partying over academics as it’s mission, though from what I have seen these smart private schools are more likely to eliminate frats than the public ones. But a public school has an obligation to its’s state’s citizens to prioritize education.”

Public schools can’t limit individuals right to association which is protected by the Constitution. When private schools do restrict the Greek system, there is very often a growth in underground organizations that have absolutely no oversight. The best we can hope for is education of the members and an enlightenment that this behavior is antisocial and reprehensible.

@Hanna “This may be true for some, but in my experience, lots of young people seek out the hazing experiences they’ve heard about. When a fraternity chapter reboots under national supervision and genuinely stops hazing, it often suffers in recruitment and can only attract the students without other options who are viewed as nerds or losers.”

Sadly, this is very true. In fact, Beta Theta Pi struggled socially for the first few years that it had reorganized with Schreyers Honors Scholars. This is evidence of an incredible lack of maturity by 18-20 year old men. Women don’t put up with hazing and therefore cases of it occurring in sororities is extremely rare. But, young men somehow think this is a right of passage. It is very sad. Until the pledges are willing to walk away and the chapters that are hazing die a slow death without new members, I fear it will continue.

Police didn’t report sex assaults at frat houses to Penn State…
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/12/penn_state_sexual_assaults_not.html

I suppose nothing should shock me anymore but it keeps getting worse.

from the International Business Times

Penn State Fraternity Sexual Assault Ignored By Police, Report Says…
http://www.ibtimes.com/penn-state-fraternity-sexual-assault-ignored-police-report-says-2630825

Interesting insight from Onward State from just last year…

How Penn State Made My Sexual Assault Experience Worse
http://onwardstate.com/2016/05/03/community-content-how-penn-state-made-my-sexual-assault-worse/#prettyPhoto

Some of what the chief of police says doesn’t make sense.
He doesn’t need to report the name of the people investigated and obviously it’d only be updated at the end of the semester. He could just report “sexual assaults investigetedat alpha alpha alpha: 4 , including rape 1; sexual assaults investigated at beta beta beta:0; sexual assaults investigated at omega omega omega: 1, including rape 0.”
Also, the difference he makes between “stranger rapes” (you know, in case a stranger roans the campus assaulting people) and “acquaintance rapes” is troubling since something upward of 90% assaults on campus are between people who socialize.
He also doesn’t have to worry that his inquiry will be impeded, one semester after the fact, when the scorecard is updated.

looks like questions were already being asked…

Lack of reported sexual assaults on Penn State’s campus raises questions…
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/crime_courts/article_b2f18042-99ac-11e7-99f8-d7f3715c507c.html

perhaps the crack down on greek life is helping?
“If you look at previous numbers,” Pauley (junior-electrical engineering) said, “you can see that being a part of greek life significantly increases your risk of being sexually assaulted. So, it stands to reason that reducing their functions would reduce that.”

from TIME
‘Those Families Are Changed Forever.’ A Deadly Year in Fraternity Hazing Comes to a Close…
http://time.com/5071813/fraternity-hazing-deaths-2017/

11 months after Piazza’s death, what has changed?

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/article192367404.html

I thought this would be about Piazza’s fraternity but no, it’s a different one.

“Fraternity Is Banned From Pennsylvania After Student’s Hazing Death”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/nyregion/fraternity-pennsylvania-hazing-death-baruch-college.html

Yes, OHMomof2 I agree. This is a very strange ruling which I suspect will be challenged and overturned. I am not sure how the judge has the authority to disband the Penn State chapter who had absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy. It seems overreaching.

Pa. attorney general takes over Piazza case…
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime/article193614369.html

Looks like it could be a fair trial now that it will be out of Centre County. Could be a big Win for the Piazza family. Maybe not…who knows??

Pa. attorney general to review Penn State frat death…
http://www.philly.com/philly/education/pa-attorney-general-review-psu-frat-death-20180108.html

Pennsylvania AG launching independent review of Penn State fraternity death

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-nws-pa-ag-penn-state-tim-piazza-fraternity-death-20180109-story.html

I am not excusing what happened at all, but it seems to me that the elephant in the room is that Tim Piazza was a sophomore, not an inexperienced freshman, who chose to rush and then pledge this fraternity in hopes of becoming one of them. He must have had a good idea of the scene.

If he had not met this very sad end, would he have been happily participating with the next pledge class?

I am disturbed by his elevation to near sainthood and dismissal of all responsibility on his part for what he chose to engage in, while characterizing the others as pure monsters.

Yes, the whole hazing scene is sickening, especially when it is dangerous, especially what it reveals about pack mentality among young males. (Of course, it has already been well documented in Lord of the Flies. And not that young women are free of it, either.) There are those who choose to walk away from it when they see it up close, even after pledging.

My H depledged a fraternity his freshman year after an incident that could have seriously injured someone–accidentally. They dropped a guy, one of the older brothers (and a willing participant), on the stairs when “kidnapping” him in a required pledge thing. H said no one checked to make sure he was really okay. He may have been knocked out. Afterward he said to himself, what were we doing? This is nuts. That plus another thing that was just weird, and he walked away.

I am sorry beyond words for Tim’s parents. I am the mother of an only child, a son. I can only imagine their pain and sorrow. The ultimate nightmare. Especially knowing he might have been saved.

I wish I knew how to solve the hazing problem. It isn’t just fraternities. It’s bands. It’s sports teams. It goes on even after it is clearly banned and there are significant penalties for it that are actually carried out. Two or three groups can be closed down, and yet another will do it. Sometimes people will voluntarily do it to themselves. See the case at Dartmouth where some pledges at AD chose to brand themselves. (Some did not.) Their house, of which the president of the college is an alum, was closed down despite the fact that it was not found to be hazing, an illegal activity in NH. Some people WANT to be hazed.

I don’t get it. I wish there were some way to inoculate against it.

“I am disturbed by dismissal of all responsibility on his part for what he chose to engage in”

Yep. This is true of drinking deaths in general. We have to hold multiple ideas in our minds at the same time: each actor in the story is 100% responsible for his own choices. The bad environment does not absolve the individual, and the reverse is also true.

Who is holding him up as a saint?

You can fully hold the Frat and the members present responsible for having hazing as well as killing the young man by refusing to get him medical assistance, and for trying to cover it up afterward without implying that Piazza was a saint.

I think one of the key element was that he requested none of the drinks that were part of the ritual, all were brought to him and he was made to drink - the frat brothers knew it was damning and tried to erase it and to withdraw the tape.
Also, I doubt you can say with certainty that Tim Piazza knew he’d be served so many drinks in so little time.