<p>*I’ve noticed that the schools with the best endowments don’t have athletic scholarships or are Division 3. *</p>
<p>That’s really mostly because state flagships often have Div I teams, and state schools often have smaller endowments If you’re suggesting that if those schools were to get rid of their athletic scholarships that somehow their endowments would increase, that’s not true.</p>
<p>So shut down the football program?</p>
<p>Yeah, right. So these nice, respected, well-paid WHITE football coaches and assistants, university administrators and President, plus WHITE charity organization directors and administrators rape, assault, and fondle children, enable same, cover up for same, or simply turn a VERY blind eye to same, and mostly African-American, often poor, students on athletic scholarships should suffer for them.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don’t think we know the half of it yet. And I’d love to subpoena JoePa’s bank records - both in and out.</p>
<p>"Also if Paterno was led to believe that the 2002 incident was reported to Child Protective Services (Schultz testified he and Curley reported) then would Paterno resigning from the charity and banning Sandusky from campus have compromised any investigation? "</p>
<p>For NINE YEARS? (13, if you back to 1998).</p>
<p>“NewHope- that is my question what exactly do people think he fumbled? Maybe there are plausible answers to what he did and why he did it. Maybe there are not plausible answers. I would like to know the specific things he did wrong.”</p>
<p>Well to start with, not understanding how this whole situation could demolish his reputation. (If indeed he made a miscalculation or two in 2002, he had PLENTY of time to fix them.)</p>
<p>mini- I posted that earlier about the impact of banning football. I expect Paterno’s bank records will be subject to subpoena.</p>
<p>NewHope the 1998 incident was not prosecuted and while we believe he must have known there currently no proof he did.
We have no idea what he thought about the 2002 incident, who and what he asked anyone and what he was told. For all we know he was told it was investigated and nothing came of it. He claims not to know of a rape and the president claims to be told it was horsing around. If that was the case why would he think any of it would damage his reputation. He took what he knew to the proper people and it was dealt with as far as he may have thought.</p>
<p>The problems run deep within PSU and Second Mile as to who knew what, and i am fairly certain many knew something…</p>
<p>In March 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant saw Sandusky having anal sex with a boy in the shower at the football team’s headquarters, according to a grand-jury report released Nov. 5 by the Pennsylvania Attorney General’s office. The assistant told Athletic Director Tim Curley about the incident, according to the report.</p>
<p>Curley later testified to the grand jury that the assistant had described “inappropriate conduct” and denied the assistant reported “anything of a sexual nature,” the report said. Curley said he told Second Mile’s Raykovitz about about the matter.</p>
<p>Dr Jack Raykovitz is a pyschologist, a person who should know much better then Paterno what to do in such a situation,but did NOTHING either, and allowed Sandusky to contnue molesting children…dispicable…He should be vilified as much as Paterno</p>
<p>“For all we know he was told it was investigated and nothing came of it.”</p>
<p>Um let’s see if I have this straight. The GA reports that something peculiar occurred in the Penn State shower room, with JoePa’s friend involved. JoePa reports it (just following your reasoning) and is reassured there was nothing to the report. What happens to the accuser? He gets appointed to be an Assistant Coach.</p>
<p>If a GA made a false (and incendiary!) report to me about one of my close friends, he’d be fired … not promoted.</p>
<p>So we either have a huge sexual child abuse cabal or things may not be exactly as they appear</p>
<p>“If a GA made a false (and incendiary!) report to me about one of my close friends, he’d be fired … not promoted.”</p>
<p>My thoughts exactly, newhope.</p>
<p>" Can I ask those who have real issues with Paterno what they are-</p>
<p>Are they that he did not go to Child Protective Services and report the incident?
Are they that he did not resign from the charity that Sandusky founded?
Are they that Sandusky continued to have an office and run camps at Penn St?
Are they related to the 1998 incident?
The 2002 incident only? "
Are they related to the abuse that happened after 2002? "</p>
<p>My issues are not with Paterno alone , but with ALL of the people who had knowledge of the abuse and turned a blind eye in order to protect the brand</p>
<p>Every day the news is peeling back another layer of the onion , and every day I become more and more sickened by what I read and or view on tv </p>
<p>I have been called " mean spirited and petty "here on this forum for being glad that PSU lost the game on Saturday</p>
<p>I was sickened to see anyone from PSU on bended knee , praying to their false God , or making a lame attempt at looking like they put the victims above the sport </p>
<p>I don’t blame the students for their ignorance…they were sold on the spirit , the winning of their team and most ( not all ) are simply not mature enough to grasp that their dream has been shattered and they were misled </p>
<p>I read the article from the Washington Post regarding John Matko , a PSU alum and young father who quietly protested outside of the game , only to be threatened , bullied , beer thrown in his face , physically assaulted…mostly by adults rather than students ( I suspect he has personal experience and applaud him for his bravery of challenging the cult )</p>
<p>" We ARE Penn State " doesn’t sit well with me</p>
<p>I have stated in previous posts that I have personal experience with people near and dear to me who are survivors ( and some who took their own lives ) of childhood sexual assault, and I can assure you that these victims will never be free from the pain inflicted by not ony Sandusky , but ALL of the members of the PSU / Second Mile community who knew and did nothing.</p>
<p>No sum of money will make things right for these victims , and I strongly believe there are FAR more than eight of them</p>
<p>It makes my skin crawl everytime I hear someone defend Paterno …he KNEW and remained silent …how did that man sleep at night when his pal was allowed to victimize who knows how many little boys ?</p>
<p>I don’t care that he tells students to study…I don’t care that he donated $$$ to the school
It didn’t redeem him from his basic human obligation to protect innocent children from harm
He is a father
He is a grandfather
He was a role model to countless people</p>
<p>I might suggest that anyone who isn’t familiar with pedophilia and the victims of these evil actions do a little research and think before giving the benefit of doubt to Paterno or anyone else in the hotseat here</p>
<p>No, not a child abuse cabal, just a simple coverup of child abuse to further the football program and reputation of Joe and friends</p>
<p>No as Schultz testified and very possible told Paterno it was reported to CPS. Listen we can make all the accusations we want I have no idea if McQuery worked his way up to assistant coach status via merit over the last 9 years and you do not either.</p>
<p>Are we sure Paterno and Sandusky were close friends?</p>
<p>“If a GA made a false (and incendiary!) report to me about one of my close friends, he’d be fired … not promoted.”</p>
<p>Or…alternatively…you’re dumb as brick! LOL!</p>
<p>Few humans can be painted with one brush. If the facts bear out, and I too do not want a trial by hysterical mob, then Paterno had a great flaw. That flaw may not have been putting football ahead of children, but may have been a deep conflict over the revelations regarding a long time associate, friend, community leader. I can imagine someone of my mother’s generation not wanting to hear it or believe it and letting the “authorities” check it out and deal with it. Hiding his head in the sand instead of standing for what he preached and failing to show leadership in that situation is what he could be and was fired for. </p>
<p>
Paterno is many faceted like most humans. But one of the things he did do is make sure his athletes were students. Penn State’s Graduation Success Rate for football was 87 percent, according to the most recent NCAA data. That was the second-highest score in the Big Ten (behind Northwestern) and tied with Stanford for the top score among teams ranked in the Associated Press Top 25 rankings. The Penn State football program has produced 47 Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA postgraduate scholarship winners. To be eligible, a student-athlete must be a varsity starter or key reserve and maintain a cumulative GPA of at least 3.30 on a scale of 4.00. And Penn State athletes are not all taking PE majors. </p>
<p>Paterno also believed in the university beyond football. He, his wife, Sue, and their five children announced a contribution of $3.5 million to the University in 1998, bringing Paterno’s lifetime giving total to more than $4 million. The gift was believed to be, Penn State Vice President for Development Rod Kirsch said, “the most generous ever made by a collegiate coach and his family to a university.” The Paterno gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of the Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture, the University Libraries and supported two building projects – a new interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum, both on the University Park campus. The museum opened in 2002 and the spiritual center was dedicated in 2003. The Paternos announced a $1 million pledge in 2009 for the Mount Nittany Medical Center. Their gift is part of the most ambitious fundraising effort in the Medical Center’s history and helped support a three-floor, 42,000-square foot expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility, which was completed in 2010. </p>
<p>I am not an apologist and I believe he had to go. But until all of the facts are out and those accused can have their say, I am not one who can state with certainty what their motives and thoughts were or what they “must have” known. I am not clairvoyant. There are investigations being conducted which have been promised to be made public. We do not have to wait for a trial. But I will wait for the full story before making a judgment.</p>
<p>“Curley later testified to the grand jury that the assistant had described “inappropriate conduct” and denied the assistant reported “anything of a sexual nature,” the report said.”</p>
<p>Sorry for piling on here, but if (as a manager) I get a verbal report of “inappropriate conduct” on my institution’s property, I’m going to make darned certain there’s a written report. I mean, isn’t that Management 101?</p>
<p>I posted this earlier about the accusation the cover up was to protect the football brand-</p>
<p>I do not know how going forward in 2002 was going to damage the football program. Sandusky was out in 1999 in an instance where the DA did not prosecute so what blame could the football program faced in 2002?</p>
<p>He,Paterno, should have been fired,but i think he’ll be somehow exonerated of any legal issues…still, he dropped the ball on this,BIGTIME</p>
<p>“The Paternos announced a $1 million pledge in 2009 for the Mount Nittany Medical Center.”</p>
<p>I want to know where he got the money.</p>
<p>lje62- I am sorry about those you know that suffered abuse. </p>
<p>Does it help victims of abuse if innocent people are held responsible for abuse that occurred?</p>
<p>How about letting Sandusky use the PSU facitlities, how aout letting Sandusky travel with others to recruit players…</p>
<p>Cross posted ,but in reply to tom1944 2076 post</p>