<p>"… he reported an accusation and may have been told it was turned over to CPS. If that was the case what more should he have done."</p>
<p>Tom, you’re starting to tread in trollish waters with your claim that “JoePa did all he could.” What else could he have done, if indeed he was told a report had been made to CPS? Um, let’s see …</p>
<p>If he was told it was turned over to CPS, the next step was to go talk to his old friend. “Hey Sandusky, just a heads up here. That f***ing GA reported you, and the wimps that run this place passed it on to CPS. I don’t know what went on with you and that kid in the showers, and I don’t wanna know. But you’d be well advised to lay low for awhile.”</p>
<p>Oh wait a minute … you want a scenario where JoePa didn’t go talk with his old friend, where he didn’t ask his old friend what occurred, where he didn’t report to University officials with what Sandusky told him, where he did ask University officials to keep him “in the loop” with regard to the investigation, where he did press University officials to find the boy, where he didn’t promote the GA to Assistant Coach, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.</p>
<p>If somebody told you he witnessed something of a ‘sexual nature’ happening between an old man and a child at your place of work, would you wait one day to call your superiors to “report it?” or would you call the police?</p>
<p>I would call immediately but if the person I needed to report to was not available I would report to them immediately upon their return. Do we know why he waited a day? Was Curley available on that Sunday when Paterno was told or was he told on Saturday?</p>
<p>NewHope _ I have no idea what you mean. Schultz testified he or Curley called CPS is it so far fetched he told that to Paterno. From a group that has every person of authority in State College participating in a cover up why is that reasoning any less plausible?</p>
<p>We have only heard a few things from joe Paterno and his son since the grand jury report was “leaked” by a computer glitch.</p>
<p>He has said he didnt know about the 1998 investigation and apparently PSU lawyers confirmed this. He said that McQueary told him that something that made him uncomfortable and sexually inappropriate in the shower occured. He said he called the AD to his home and told him something inappropriate happened and that the AD must talk with the Grad assistant. </p>
<p>Now try this scenerio. Joe Paterno got a call from the assistant who came to his house extremely distraught. The student started to tell Paterno what went on. To save the student from further discussion and upset and embarassement ( and maybe himself too) Paterno stopped him. Paterno knew enough that this had to be reported. For sake of argument lets say the student came to joe late in the day. JOe calls Curley says get here as soon as you can. Curley comes the next day (sunday). Joe tells curley something happened and he needs to get it directly from the student. Curley says okay. </p>
<p>Now this is all new to Joe. This is a man he worked with for 30 years. This is also a man that hasn’t worked with the football program for a few years. Joe as the football coach feels that he has everything in motion. He feels that Curly will take care of it correctly since this is not Paterno’s forte.</p>
<p>So nothing happens. Joe figures if there was a problem someone would let him know. No one does. Joe figures that it was resolved.</p>
<p>Now skip ahead.</p>
<p>The grand jury report takes everybody by storm. No one had any idea that all these victims existed and how horrible the behaviors were that they described. Everyone is reeling. . Everyone including the board of trustes. People read the report and believe that everyone knew all of these horrible things were happening all along.</p>
<p>Joe is at home. His family comes to him as the groundswell of disbelief grew. Joe had no idea he was a target of a ever growing storm of fury. His attorney son puts out a statement about what Paterno did at the time. People felt he was making excuses. No one is talking to Joe. He is in a cocoon in his home. His son says they want you gone. Joe says okay. I’ll retire. So he says he will retire but now thats not good enough. They say he is trying to tell them what to do. So they fire him. ALl along he was trying to do the right thing. All along he was one step behind.</p>
<p>Good grief, This happened in just a few short days. Did it happen like this . I DON"T KNOW. But it could have. </p>
<p>Give the man a chance to tell you what he knew and WHEN he knew it. Then and only then is it fair to punish him.</p>
<p>After hearing about the Grand Jury Report ANYONE would say they wished they had done more. HINDSIGHT is amazing.</p>
<p>Sandusky was ‘retired’ in 1999 by Paterno most likely because of the 1998 investigation, no? He was clearly being groomed to be the successor until then…But suddenly Paterno wanted to put distance between Sandusky and his precious football program. Why?</p>
<p>The “clueless” Paterno knew very well that Sandusky kept coming back to campus with little boys. He also continued to associate with Second Mile and therefore with Sandusky, outside of the PSU sphere, so he knew from that that this child rapist was freely associating with the Second Mile kids. </p>
<p>The GJ investigation began around 2008/9. So I’m not sure what investigation Paterno was protecting or trying not to compromise, by not resigning from Second Mile. </p>
<p>What misplaced loyalty and rotten judgment. What complete selfishness. And what a great act of being clueless.</p>
<p>choc- if Paterno was told that CPS was called should he have resigned from the charity? If he thought there was an investigation of the 2002 incident when should he have resigned?</p>
<p>Yikes to many people giving Paterno some leeway here…When an adult man is constantly seen in the presence of young boys,at bowl games,on the sidelines etc,one must gove it some thought that this is NOT natural,i would think</p>
<p>He has been advised by his criminal defense attorneys not to make any statements. We will be waiting for a long time before we hear anything from Paterno about this, if ever.</p>
<p>So, Tom, you would report to your superiors and not call the police? If somebody came to my house on a Saturday afternoon to tell me that a child had been raped, or something of an inappropriate sexual nature occured at work, I would call the police. Not my boss.</p>
<p>This is where it gets incredibly messy.</p>
<p>If you call your boss? You are already not calling the police. You are saying, “What should WE do?” Not what should “I” do? </p>
<p>Yup. He rarely hears about old men showering with young boys in the locker room, and certainly not from graduate assistants he hires. And he rarely attends that there Catholic Church. And of course, he never says anything to his friend - old men stick together and all that. And everyone is protecting Joe, even from himself.</p>
<p>I got a bridge I’d like to sell you. </p>
<p>But there is such a thing as early onset dementia.</p>
<p>mini- Not all football coaches in D1 are white. Vanderbilt and Kentucky played each other this past Saturday and BOTH had black coaches. First time ever in the SEC. I can assure you that if James Franklin (Vanderbilt) was told what Paterno was told, Sandusky would not have been alive another hour. Literally.</p>
<p>As for Paterno’s $$$. The D1 coaches make a fortune from radio and other media broadcasts.</p>
<p>OK but he told the AD from there we do not know what he was told. We know Schultz testified he or Curley contacted CPS in 2002. Was Paterno told that? Would it matter to you if he was told CPS was now involved?</p>
<p>poet- I have been brought information about criminal behavior on my job. I notify my boss and our Internal Security Unit never the police. That has been what we have been instructed to do.</p>
<p>If someone was raped on a job site I would expect the witness to go to the police directly.</p>
<p>You have been instructed by your boss to report criminal activity to him? So, you do so.</p>
<p>I would call the police.</p>
<p>But, then, I went to Catholic school and have an uncle who is a priest.</p>
<p>ETA: So, when Joe Paterno told the intern that he needed to tell the upper ups, who contacted him TEN DAYS LATER, should he have also instructed him to go to the police to make a report?</p>
<p>“mini- Not all football coaches in D1 are white. Vanderbilt and Kentucky played each other this past Saturday and BOTH had black coaches.”</p>
<p>that’s exactly my point. PENN STATE’S coaches were all white, the administrators were all white, the President was white, the charity administrators were white, and the perp was white. And the players?</p>
<p>“Would it matter to you if he was told CPS was now involved?”</p>
<p>Yeah. Makes JoePa’s nine year continuing “relationship” with Jerry seem even worse.</p>
<p>poet- my agency is slightly different in that the police can not access our records by law all tax records are private. We actually have an MOU with the AG’s office so they can access our records.</p>
@tom1944 there was an investigation that took place in '98/99. The police listened in on a phone call as Sandusky was confronted by the mother of a victim for inappropriate behavior with this woman’s child in a shower. Sandusky admitted to it and said he wouldn’t do it again. The school administrators (I don’t know about all of them, but certainly some) knew about the investigation and what happened with it. So YES, there was CERTAINLY “cause for removal.”</p>
<p>Edit: actually, Sandusky did not promise never to do it again. My b.</p>
<p>Regardless, I believe the point has sufficiently been made.</p>