Penn State Sandusky scandal

[tom1944]

<p>soccerguy- they were not friends, they were ex-colleagues and there is no proof that Paterno was aware that anal rape was involved. He also did not keep quiet about it- he reported it.</p>

<p>Now as he said in hindsight he wishes he did more.</p>

[nysmile]

<p>[Video</a> - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com](<a href=“Video News - CNN”>Video News - CNN)</p>

<p>Victim screamed for help knowing Sandusky’s wife was upstairs.</p>

<p>Don’t tell me Paterno didn’t know. Don’t tell me Sandusky’s wife didn’t know. Don’t tell me Penn St. didn’t know what this man was up to. Knowing what he was accused of, Penn St. and Paterno allowed him to continue interacting with young boys and using Penn St. as his mode of attracting young boys into his web. Don’t tell me Paterno’s relationship with Sandusky was strictly as a colleague. There are numerous pictures of the two of them very chummy even after the initial accusation. Paterno and Penn St. chose denial and a blind eye over facing the problem head on. They chose reputation and prestige over the possibility of having their empire crumble–exactly what the Catholic Church did knowing Priests were molesting young people. The “should have, could have done more mentality” is nothing but a way to continue living in denial and trying to justify one’s inaction and choice to turn a blind eye rather than follow through to correct the wrongs being done. </p>

<p>Whether anal rape was involved is irrelevant in some respects. Abuse is abuse–whether it is rape, touching, etc. It’s all abuse.</p>

[soccerguy315]

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soccerguy- they were not friends, they were ex-colleagues and there is no proof that Paterno was aware that anal rape was involved. He also did not keep quiet about it- he reported it.

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<p>tom… are you serious? They coached together for 30 years and you think they were not friends? Thirty years?</p>

[mini]

<p>It’s more than friends: one was the other’s boss, and the other was his “most trusted” assistant and heir apparent.</p>

[tom1944]

<p>I have worked with people for 30 years that are not my friends.</p>

[Iglooo]

<p>Parallel universe? </p>

<p>I thought I’d repost parent1986 thread here.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/sp...ootball&st=cse[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/sp...ootball&st=cse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>"NEW HAVEN — On Nov. 13, Patrick J. Witt, Yale University’s star quarterback, announced that he had withdrawn his Rhodes scholarship application and…</p>

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During the fall, Witt had been lionized as the hero of a badly needed feel-good sports saga — the “perfect antidote,” one newspaper said, to the allegations of child sexual abuse at Penn State. Bloomberg News described his as a Hamlet-like choice. A glowing NBC Nightly News profile called him “an extraordinary individual.” On ESPN, Witt said he would pray on the decision.

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<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1281220-more-football-scandal-yale-involving-coach-player.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1281220-more-football-scandal-yale-involving-coach-player.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[coase]

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Parallel universe?

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<p>The situations are not really “parallel.” There is no allegation of dereliction of duty by members of the administration. There is no allegation that the football culture facilitated wrongdoing, (Note that I did write “allegation.”) </p>

<p>Onward State had an article about a year ago that painted Penn State as a pretty typical top 25 program: </p>

<p>[Penn</a> State Football: Arrests with Honor? - Onward State](<a href=“http://onwardstate.com/2011/03/03/penn-state-football-arrests-with-honor/]Penn”>Penn State Football: Arrests with Honor?)</p>

[goingmyway]

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“The Defendant’s minor grandchildren have expressed their sadness to their parents about not being able to visit or talk with the Defendant since November 5, 2011,” Amendola wrote.

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<p><a href=“Chicago News - Chicago Tribune - Chicago Tribune”>Chicago News - Chicago Tribune - Chicago Tribune;

<p>It is just mind-boggling how this guy expects sympathy. He’s using his grandchildren to try to get sympathy.</p>

[soccerguy315]

<p>tom, with all due respect, I don’t think your career path is similar to a college coach of joepa’s stature. If he didn’t like his assistants, they wouldn’t be coaching there.</p>

[k_amp_s]

<p>JoePa made a big mistake in not taking further action than informing his superiors, but at the same time, one mistake (no matter how big; let’s remember, it was Sandusky who allegedly perpetrated those heinous crimes) shouldn’t take away from a lifetime of good works (but JoePa did deserve the criticism for not being more proactive).</p>

<p>Compare this</p>

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Jimmy Cefalo, a wide receiver from the 1970s who went on to play for the NFL’s Miami Dolphins, learned that lesson first-hand during his senior year, after his college football career was finished. {b]He said he decided to coast by taking easy courses during his last semester, but the coach got wind of those courses and summoned Mr. Cefalo to his office.</p>

<p>"I went in, and he said, ‘What do you think you’re doing? This is beneath you,’ " Mr. Cefalo recalled. “I was no good to him for football [anymore] but he kept that commitment.”**

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<p>and this</p>

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Kenny Jackson, a Penn State wide receiver from the 1980s, said it wasn’t just Mr. Paterno who stressed academics. He said being a Penn State recruit meant spending time at the Paterno house with the coach and his wife, who shared Mr. Paterno’s passion for learning,</p>

<p>He recalled what his parents told him after a visit to the Paterno home during a recruiting trip.</p>

<p>"They told me something very important. [They said] Sue only promised two things: the first, Kenny will go to class; second, he will get a quality education," Mr. Jackson said. “That’s all she said. She never talked about anything else.”

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<p>to this.</p>

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Weeks later, we now have one of the strong reasons for why April Justin (that’s Landon’s mother) felt so strongly about LSU: She felt disrespected by Alabama coach Nick Saban when the Crimson Tide head man visited the Collins household.</p>

<p>As reported by ESPN The Magazine’s Christopher Schultz, Saban went directly into a pitch about Landon Collins’ NFL prospects when he arrived in Geismar. It turns out that was not what April Justin wanted to hear; rather, she was more concerned about her son’s academic future and how he would fit in on campus in Tuscaloosa.</p>

<p>“I think he stereotyped me,” April Justin told ESPN.

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[coureur]

<p>WSJ: Scandal may hurt Penn State in attracting higher-paying OOS students:</p>

<p>[Selling</a> Students on Penn State - WSJ.com](<a href=“Selling Students on Penn State - WSJ”>Selling Students on Penn State - WSJ)</p>

<p>Excerpt:</p>

<p>"Winning acceptance to Penn State hasn’t exactly made Maddie Beja the envy of her suburban Chicago high school.</p>

<p>Instead of being congratulated on Penn State’s stellar academics, Beja is hearing all about the sex-abuse scandal that brought down the university’s president and football coach in November. “The reputation of (Penn State) has taken such a hit lately,” said Beja, president of the senior class at Hinsdale Central High School, adding that the sex-abuse scandal is a strike against Penn State as she weighs her other options.</p>

<p>In the wake of criminal indictments that charged a former Penn State football coach of sexually assaulting boys—and that charged two top school administrators with perjury—Penn State faces another challenge. Early figures indicate it may be losing ground with prospective out-of-state students.</p>

<p>Penn State is heavily dependent on the higher tuition and fees it charges students who hail from outside Pennsylvania. Of the freshman class that started last fall, 40% were from elsewhere. That’s among the higher rates for public colleges in the nation…"</p>

[goingmyway]

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It wasn’t perjury, Schultz’s lawyer Tom Farrell says, according to records obtained by the AP. Schultz says he was simply stating his opinion when he told the grand jury that allegations he heard in 2002 about Sandusky were “not that serious” and that he believed it wasn’t clear that a crime had occurred.

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<p>[Penn</a> State official mired in Sandusky scandal wants to be cleared - latimes.com](<a href=“Archive blogs”>Penn State official mired in Sandusky scandal wants to be cleared)</p>

<p>THAT is what I find disgusting about this case. Paterno was the only one man enough to admit he knew something sexual was going on. It is sad to me he died with this over his head. Maybe he should have done more, but at the end he told the truth and was still punished.</p>

<p>These other two clowns are going to get away with it, because it’s going to be impossible to prove what they knew. Sickening.</p>

[sax]

<p>[Penn</a> State Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://admissions.psu.edu/facts/studentbody/]Penn”>http://admissions.psu.edu/facts/studentbody/)</p>

<p>PSU freshman 34% OOS at UP, 20% OOS other campuses.</p>

[sax]

<p>As long as this thread was brought back up I thought I would offer this article for thought</p>

<p>[Words</a> matter in Penn State perjury case - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/29/justice/sandusky-witness-words/index.html]Words”>http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/29/justice/sandusky-witness-words/index.html)</p>

<p>"…Yet, as a transcript shows, each time McQueary’s story was told it became less specific, until others at the end of the line reacted as if what he had seen was no big deal.
It will be up to the courts to sort out whether McQueary pulled punches in telling the story, whether the others lied, or whether they heard only what they wanted to hear.
“This is what happens in sexual abuse cases all the time,” observed Laurie Levenson, a former federal prosecutor who teaches legal ethics at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. “Witnesses are embarrassed to describe in graphic terms what they saw and then it becomes a game of Telephone after that, as one witness changes the story a little before talking to the next witness…”</p>

[coureur]

<p>Feds getting involved:</p>

<p>[Penn</a> State adds detail about Sandusky subpoena ? USATODAY.com](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-24/Penn-State-abuse-subpoena/53236418/1]Penn”>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-24/Penn-State-abuse-subpoena/53236418/1)</p>

<p>Excerpt:</p>

<p>A copy of the Feb. 2 subpoena for general counsel Cynthia Baldwin, posted on the school’s website Friday evening, listed eight categories of records, including “reporting requirements on the part of employers and staff relating to misconduct” by staff and others associated with Penn State.</p>

<p>It directed Baldwin, a former state Supreme Court justice, to bring the documents with her to a federal grand jury meeting in Harrisburg on Wednesday, but the school said that deadline had been extended by U.S. Attorney Peter J. Smith because of the volume of records.</p>

[goingmyway]

<p>[Sandusky</a> federal investigation may have different focus - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/02/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-investigation/?hpt=ju_c2]Sandusky”>http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/02/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-investigation/?hpt=ju_c2)</p>

<p>The videos of Amendola and Sandusky are nothing short of sickening. That disgusting pedophile is actually standing there acting indignant because he can’t sit on his deck and throw a biscuit to his dog. Because people who let their kids sleigh ride on his property have turned on him.</p>

[janesmith]

<p>NBC has posted 1998 report from a psychologist who interviewed a boy preyed on by Sandusky: </p>

<p>[Sandusky</a> labeled ‘likely pedophile’ in 1998 report - TODAY People - TODAY.com](<a href=“http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46843083/ns/today-today_people/#.T236S-zLyPh]Sandusky”>http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46843083/ns/today-today_people/#.T236S-zLyPh)</p>

<p>So this was known to quite a few people in 1998.</p>

[TutuTaxi]

<p>[Report:</a> Sandusky called ‘likely pedophile’ in '98 - Yahoo! News](<a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/report-sandusky-called-likely-pedophile-98-182831970--spt.html]Report:”>http://news.yahoo.com/report-sandusky-called-likely-pedophile-98-182831970--spt.html)</p>

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The police file includes the report of State College psychologist Alycia Chambers, who interviewed and provided counseling to the boy.</p>

<p>“My consultants agree that the incidents meet all of our definitions, based on experience and education, of a likely pedophile’s pattern of building trust and gradual introduction of physical touch, within a context of a ‘loving,’ ‘special’ relationship,” Chambers wrote.

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Chambers told NBC in an interview that she was horrified to learn that Sandusky allegedly continued assaulting boys long after she warned Penn State authorities about him.</p>

<p>“I was horrified to know that there were so many other innocent boys who had been subject to this, who had their hearts and minds confused, their bodies violated. It’s unspeakable,” she said.</p>

<p>Chambers told NBC her 1998 investigation found “behavior that was consistent with a predator, a male predator, a pedophile.”

Interestingly, Chambers’ quote says “incidents”. </p>

<p>Could Gary Schultz and PSU’s legal department not known of Chambers report??</p>

[TXArtemis]

<p>Many contributors to this discussion followed the media reports of Sara Ganim writing for the Harrisbug Patriot-News. Today it was announced she was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Local Reporting. </p>

<p>"For a distinguished example of reporting on significant issues of local concern, demonstrating originality and community expertise, using any available journalistic tool, Ten thousand dollars ($10,000).</p>

<p>“Awarded to Sara Ganim and members of The Patriot-News Staff, Harrisburg, Penn., for courageously revealing and adeptly covering the explosive Penn State sex scandal involving former football coach Jerry Sandusky.”</p>

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[1moremom]

<p>She is the second youngest reporter to win a Pulitzer, PSU Class of 2008.</p>