<p>mini, I have no ties to PSU and no dog in this fight, but I just can’t see what JoePa would have to gain by protecting Sandusky. Your scenario depends on the idea that he had too much to lose (money, reputation) to blow the whistle on Sandusky and I don’t think that would be the case. Sure, it would have been uncomfortable in the short term to keep pushing what amounts to hearsay from McQueary, but how would his income and power be adversely affected by helping to expose a child predator who was a former employee? It’s more likely that he’d have been hailed as a hero and his reputation would have been enhanced.</p>
<p>I’ve never seen or heard anything indicating that he thought his assistant was lying but afik, no one has ever claimed that Paterno had any one else who reported any direct knowledge of Sandusky’s vile actions. Sure, Paterno was probably very uncomfortable with the whole issue (and face it, so are most people of his generation) but he did not delay reporting the conversation up the chain of command.</p>
<p>If anything, I wonder why McQuery didn’t rescue the child immediately and call the police. If he had, Sandusky’s career as a pedophile would have ended that night.</p>
<p>We know what the grand jury said, and which was the basis of the indictment. We know from McQueary that not only had he told JoePa that he had seen a sexual act, he “made sure he knew” that he had seen a sexual act. Unfortunately, JoePa was not on trial, so there was no further reason to ask. (We may at a Curley, Schmidt trial.)</p>
<p>“mini, I have no ties to PSU and no dog in this fight, but I just can’t see what JoePa would have to gain by protecting Sandusky. Your scenario depends on the idea that he had too much to lose (money, reputation) to blow the whistle on Sandusky and I don’t think that would be the case.”</p>
<p>I’ve already posted about the financial dealings that JoePa had with Sandusky’s Second Mile associates at precisely the time that the event occurred. It was in the millions. </p>
<p>“but he did not delay reporting the conversation up the chain of command.”</p>
<p>For nine years, JoePa sat with the knowledge of his 30-year associate being a pervert. For an entire year after reporting (in watered down version what he had been told), he let Sandusky use the facilities. For years after McQ reported to him, he kept McQ on his staff (if he thought McQ had told him such a heinous lie, would he have kept him). Every single day, JoePa exposed more boys to his close associate’s sick behavior. </p>
<p>I’d still love to see JoePa’s financial records dating back to 1998.</p>
<p>At best, he had dementia going back a decade, and was a coward. At worst, a criminal enabler. As for the financial part, well, I have my own theories…</p>
<p>We don’t actually know what McQ said to the grand jury–we only have a summary of it. And it wasn’t cross-examined. Its credibility was never tested. We don’t have summaries of statements of anybody who gave the grand jury contrary testimony of any kind–for example, the grand jury summary does not even mention that there was another person present when McQ spoke with his own father. A grand jury report is not evidence.</p>
<p>Hunt I am sorry there are no pictures of the anal sex or attempt at anal sex for you. </p>
<p>And as for why paterno downplayed, covered up, or whatever he did, it’s what people do. Why do police cover for fellow officers, why do churches, and not just catholic, cover for their staff, why does the military cover up for it’s service men when they rape? </p>
<p>It’s what happens all the time sadly. The motivation, to protect the image. Very short sighted. But there it is.</p>
<p>To refute Mini once again: From McQuearys own mouth about what he told Paterno. Mini. I choose to believe wnat McQueary says he told Paterno. Not what you have decided McQueary told Paterno.</p>
<p>The above article quotes McQueary when he was asked what he told Joe Paterno.</p>
<p>“I went to his house and sat at his kitchen table and told him I saw Jerry with a young boy in the shower. That it was way over the lines and extremely sexual in nature,” McQueary testified. "The rough positioning I described but not in much detail.</p>
<p>“McQueary never used the terms rape, sodomy or anal sex, he testified, even when he sat down with ousted athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz”</p>
<p>people can weave whatever theories they want about Paterno’s involvement but these are the facts from McQueary about what he said to Paterno. </p>
<p>People can weave whatever theories they want from that? McQueary told Paterno Sandusky was doing something extremely sexual and wrong with a young boy. What’s to weave? Paterno knew Sandusky was sexually abusing young boys. Period.</p>
<p>MomofWildChild – I don’t feel personally harmed and have no need for sympathy for my associations with Penn State. I received a BA 30 years ago and an MS (local campus) in about 13 years ago. Both degrees have enabled me to keep a good job and live a good life. I made wonderful friends and have great memories. It is my alma mater but it’s not a school I love for sports…I’m just not a sports fan. I’m certainly no expert out the sports culture at Penn State then or now as it just wasn’t part of my experience at Penn State. </p>
<p>None of the PSU alumni I know would expect any personal sympathy as none have been personally harmed. Our lives haven’t changed and our memories and PSU relationships are intact. We’re all sad for the atrocities at Penn State and for the victims of the horrible monster. As for the continuation of the football program? It won’t impact or hurt my life one bit. It would however, impact the economy of Central Pennsylvania. State College is right in the middle of the state. It is rural and remote from both Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. State College is where most of the local residents of an extended rural area work. Most college students move on after 4 years to employment in other areas.</p>
<p>I do like the ideas of changing the building names. I also hope that the victims that have come forward are compensated well and those that have not come forward (and I’m sure there are many) will have the right to come forward. I hope the privacy of the victims is protected if that is what they choose.</p>
<p>There is a movie out now that is about women raped in the military. A victims reports that she went to her commander and reported rape. He looked at her with disdain and said, what you think this is funny? She said, no what do you mean? He said, well youngirls must think it’s funny? Really? Yours is the third so-called rape this week…what you ladies all plan this? And he did nothing. </p>
<p>Rape in the military is a big problem, but the institution as a whole does little andnin fact punishes the soldiers who report. </p>
<p>Penn state is a microcosm of the mentality that hides brutality to protect the image and their own, but so long as their own are part of the powers that be.</p>
<p>Sax, um most intelligent people can read between the lines. Naked man naked boy, sexual in nature, man behind little boy, boy up against wall, um gee, sounds pretty clear to me even if the words rape weren’t used. </p>
<p>How about this, naked man, shower, up behind little naked girl, sexual in nature…ifnsomeone told you that, you would think eh, no biggie?</p>
<p>Even if the exact legal term of anal sex, rape, were not used, it was so obvious what was going on was horrid, and paterno did the bare legal, if even that, minimum.</p>
<p>Sandusky was featured in a large mural at the college? Wow, I knew about the large, bronze shrine to St. Joseph, but I had no idea that the football culture ran so deep that even assistant coaches got honored and memorialized in large works of art on campus. Incredible.</p>
<p>Yes, he said to paterno, naked shower, Sanduskys arms wrapped around naked boys stomach, which to me, assuming how long the average persons arms are, would be physical contact between sanduskys front and the boys back. Unless paterno thought they were doing dancing with the stars in the shower, how he could not think it was something very very horrid and totally inappropriate. Oh and was told it was very sexual. Hmmm…,let me think</p>
<p>The mural was not on campus it was across from the campus. The town of State College is directly connected to University Park. The main road is College Avenue. I think the mural was along College Avenue on a privately owned building…probably near a sports store or bookstore.</p>
<p>sax, McQueary told Paterno that what he saw was “extremely sexual.” So JoePa must have thought, “Extremely sexual is OK, as long as there wasn’t penetration.”? Come on.</p>
<p>“Even if the exact legal term of anal sex,”</p>
<p>The exact legal term of anal sex that McQueary saw, and told Paterno, is in the grand jury indictment. A legal document. This is what the grand jury says McQueary saw and what the grand jury said he told Paterno. </p>
<p>As quoted before, McQueary not only told JoePa that he saw something that was sexual in nature, but “made sure that he knew it was sexual in nature, and that it was wrong”. At that, JoePa slumped down in his chair.</p>
<p>Of course, it’s likely JoePa didn’t need to hear more - he’d probably heard it all before, in 1998. But - let’s put the best face on it. JoePa “knew it was sexual in nature, and that it was wrong”, and slumped down in his chair, but didn’t know it was rape or anal sex. (How that is - for an educated Catholic in 2001, is beyond me, but okay.) He allowed this guy around the facility for an entire year afterwards. (But he didn’t think McQueary was engaged in heinous lying, or he would have fired him, right?) He was in the middle of business negotiations worth millions with Sandusky’s friends and associates at Second Mile, and didn’t say a thing to them. And for the next 9 years, he said nothing to anybody, making it possible for Sandusky to continue his “career” with young boys. He spent time around Second Mile people for the next 6-7 years, knowing full well what he heard from McQueary, and said nothing. To anyone. McQueary was around him virtually every day. He said nothing to McQueary. Sandusky said JoePa never said a word to him about any of this.</p>
<p>Now JoePa had a history. That same year, his players received death threats. Some of them walked to graduation in bulletproof vests. He did nothing (despite pleas); he said nothing.</p>
<p>He got rich. Very rich. His wife just got richer. $13 million. Amount based on all that time that he said nothing.</p>
<p>Mini, we’ve gone through this before. McQ has stated that he was not specific as to what he told Paterno. We do not know exactly what he said to Paterno and to his father and friend for that matter, and the object of the upcoming trials is to establish what he said to the Penn State officials that Paterno called.</p>
<p>mumbo jumbo…honestly guys. If Paterno did not get what McQueary witnessed from his description of naked, extremely sexual, etc. then it was Paterno’s responsiblity to ask the tough questions. </p>
<p>Furthermore, if Paterno did not really understand what McQueary reported then why did he go to Curley and Schultz to report anything. (yes I know they interviewed McQ 10 days later).</p>
<p>My own gut reaction reading Paterno slumping into his chair, saying, I’m sorry you had to see that, is that he was hearing McQueary report old news, more of the same. Obviously this is only my opinion, but I don’t think it was an accident that he went to C and S without McQueary.</p>