<p>“Mini, we’ve gone through this before. McQ has stated that he was not specific as to what he told Paterno.”</p>
<p>The grand jury is quite specific about what McQueary saw, and what Paterno was told. Outside of the grand jury, McQueary was also quite specific, making it quite clear that he made sure Paterno knew that what he had seen was sexual, and that it was wrong. But again - best case - Paterno didn’t know that S had put his P into the kid’s A. But he did know what McQ had seen, and communicated to him, was sexual. </p>
<p>As I wrote, “But - let’s put the best face on it. JoePa “knew it was sexual in nature, and that it was wrong”, and slumped down in his chair, but didn’t know it was rape or anal sex.” He kept McQueary around (if he thought McQ was a heinous liar, and lying about his closest associate of more than 30 years, would he have done so?) And then let his closest associate Sandusky use the facilities for a year. He continued his business dealings with Sandusky’s friends and associates (saying absolutely nothing in the process), continued to lend his name to Second Mile which provided his closest associate Sandusky the opportunity to do things of a sexual nature (but not putting his P into a kid’s A, 'cause of of course he didn’t know that), continued to tell no one anything, and got very, very rich. </p>
<p>Disgusting. I hope his estate is sued for every dime it’s worth.</p>
<p>Well, it’s a relief to know that the school itself didn’t pay to have someone paint a mural of Sandusky the monster. But, unless it was Sandusky himself who had the thing painted, the fact that an assistant football coach would get painted into a big mural at all by people of the Penn State community still indicates how heavily drenched in football-think the Penn State folks are. </p>
<p>Have you ever seen any murals of any assistant coach of any sport in any other college town anywhere? I haven’t.</p>
<p>Yes, impoverishing Paterno’s widow, children and grandchildren would surely serve them right for being related to an elderly football coach who never did a positive thing in his life, and failed to go above and beyond in this sad, disgusting case.</p>
<p>Should he also be dug up, tried, convicted and executed? After all, he was the one most responsible for Sandusky’s behavior.</p>
<p>I am curious. this is a question to the lawyers.</p>
<p>I assume that when the charges were made against Sandusky, he and his family knew that there would be civil law suits not only against PSU but also Sandusky.</p>
<p>Let’s say, he transferred all of his assets to his wife and children in anticipation of such law suits. Though you can NOT prove that it was done solely for this purpose, if you check the timing, you can say beyond reasonable doubt that the asset distribution was done for the purpose of “protecting” his assets from his victims.</p>
<p>Can victims go after the assets distributed to members of family in order to make sandusky’s net asset zero? If not, this is gross injustice, don’t you think?</p>
<p>It is a big football school and many “Penn State folks” attend the games. The university, however, is much bigger than that. The tickets sell out within minutes and there are certainly not enough seats for every student…probably only enough for 1/2 or less of the students. As for murals of coaches in college towns -I have no idea.</p>
<p>Coureur – the mural is about a 1/2 block long, and represents a whole bunch of people from the Centre region – doctors, lawyers, musicians, artists, scholars. Maybe…40-60? of them? I never counted. Anyway, as someone mentioned, Sandusky was painted over last fall, a ribbon in his place. He wasn’t there because he was a coach, he was there as the founder of The Second Mile. (Not that it’s a bit less icky that way, but your point is incorrect) He’s been replaced by an abuse advocate and two handprints . One is from one of the jurors, and one is the artist’s daughter, who is a rape survivor. If the link doesn’t work and you are desperate to see it, google “allen street mural state college”</p>
<p>I wouldn’t worry about “impoverishing his children and grandchildren” - it’s not as if they have a God-given right to live off JoePa’s legacy . . . oh . . . wait . . .</p>
<p>On failure to go “above and beyond” he did not execute his moral, and likely legal obligations.</p>
<p>A client told me the story Monday of a friend who, last weekend, had their house broken into. A fancy car pulled in to the garage and stayed long enough to empt the house of jewelry, it pulled out and drove away down the street, came back a few minutes later and parked back in the garage a while longer to use a hand truck to haul the safe out of the house before driving off for good. How did they know this? A neighbor watched the whole thing from their front window. They never called the police while in progress - after the first visit or ever. They did write down the license number of the car and gave it to the homeowner after the fact - stolen car so didn’t help. The neighbor thought writing down the license number WAS going above and beyond and calling the police would have been meddling in someone else’s business . . . this is not a parable but it could be.</p>
<p>Wow, that mural is impressive! Very, very nice. State College really looks like a nice place to go to college, and one that instills a deserved sense of pride in its inhabitants.</p>
<p>It’s still worth saying that some people knew and some people strongly suspected that Sandusky was a pedophile, probably passed that mural several times a year at least, yet did nothing.</p>
<p>At least he’s gone now.</p>
<p>I see that when Paterno died, the artist was commissioned to paint a halo over his head.</p>
<p>greenbutton–you are correct, the mural is not on campus but on a bookstore near campus. However, the “painting over” was done just after the trial ended, “two months before school starts in the fall.” Not last fall.</p>
<p>Sorry, I’m a PSU alum. And I remember when it happened. The painting over of Sandusky was done last fall, right after he was arrested. They added the abuse advocate and handprints after the trial ended. The artist did it on his own. The mural is on the side of the student bookstore. It is a private business, not on college property. </p>
<p>And if you’re doing a huge mural with probably up to 100 people on it that are noteworthy and influential in the Penn State and State College community, I don’t think it’s weird that two of them are the head and asst football coach. There are also a few of the more notable football players, such as John Capeletti (Heisman trophy winner, and I know I spelled his name wrong …). Now, if it was only sports stars, that would be odd - but sports are part of a community, just like the scholars, activists, musicians, etc. that are on the wall. </p>
<p>Stop making Penn State some monster of a place. A horrible, horrible thing happened there. Sandusky did an evil thing. Some people covered it up. That doesn’t indict a whole community. Maybe it makes some of you feel good to rant and rave about it but that doesn’t solve the problem, and life is not as black and white as you make it.</p>
<p>I see the confusion. He was painted over last fall but the child advocate & ribbon were added after the trial ended. Some of the online news reports kluged the two events together.</p>
<p>I know I’m being picky, but once again, the grand jury report isn’t evidence, isn’t complete, consists of massaged summaries, and is based solely on uncrossexamined testimony from witnesses chosen exclusively by the prosecution. It may be totally accurate, and you can take it as gospel if you like, but the fact that it’s a “legal document” isn’t enough–you have to understand what kind of legal document it is. </p>
<p>That’s leaving aside the question of whether McQ told the whole truth to the grand jury, in his newspaper interviews, or any other time.</p>
<p>Presumably there will be lots more testimony about who knew and said what and when during the civil lawsuits–unless they all get settled.</p>
<p>I don’t actually know, but speculatively it would make sense that he wasn’t asked as the Paterno thing isn’t really germain to the actual charges of abuse. That’s a related but separate legal issue I would think.</p>
<p>“I need to think and tell some people what you saw and I’ll let you know what we’ll do next.”</p>
<p>I realize this was a difficult situation for all involved, but honestly, does this sound like what any of you would say after being told about child sexual abuse at your own workplace?</p>
<p>forget about whether he knew it was rape, he knew it was child sexual abuse, and he “needed to think and tell some people” ? the fact that he didn’t say we must report this to law enforcement and child protective services and let THEM investigate further is indicative of keeping it under PSU’s control.</p>
<p>the fact that McQueary’s father, a physician, and a family friend, also a physician did not insist it immediately be reported to CPS indicates they were all not following what a reasonable person would do in the same situation.</p>
