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Yes, there are probably many, many degrees of separation between his donations and Sanduskys assaults none the less he is horrified. While Spanier, Schultz, Curley and Paterno knew what Sandusky was doing and not one email expressed any anger or disgust towards Sandusky.</p>
<p>Sanctioning the football program hurts people not ever involved in this scandal…Not sure that is the answer…Most,if not all, participants are fired,jailed,or dead…Now those left will bear the brunt of the results, whther it is lawsuits that will eventually be paid by students via higher costs,or sanctioning of football program that will affect players and coaches who were not involved…not sure of how PSU moves foward,but i think Spanier and his follies should be stripped of any residual monies they may have recieved or will receive…</p>
<p>PA legislature has a bill to be voted on, in the next week? or so that will strip people convicted of a felony of their state pension. It is retroactive to the day before Sandusky was convicted.</p>
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As coase quoted above, this is not the time to join a group and pat yourself on the back for being a do-gooder. Now is the time to quietly and without fanfare reflect on the PSU culture and how it caused something to go so wrong. Now is not the time to show the world how good PSU really is. I don’t think many people are in the mood to hear it.</p>
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<p>In a meeting. Another profile in courage.</p>
<p>mspearl, that statue needs to be taken down immediately, like before sundown. And it can’t be thrown away, or some zealous PSU alum will salvage it and display it in his front yard or storefront, slapping the victims in the face one more time. It has to be melted down and sold for scrap. TODAY.</p>
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<p>The fact that so many in the Penn State community push back so fiercely against cutting off football shows that it is indeed much closer to mountain than to molehill in their conception of the Penn State world. </p>
<p>Form a committee? Sure. Set up a victims’ fund? No problem. Have a moment of silence at a game? Count us in. But cancel even one football game much less a whole season? Absolutely NOT! </p>
<p>Unfortunately there is zero chance Penn State or its boosters will ever have the moral courage to do something like this - to impose on themselves a penalty or penance that they would really and personally feel. The only hope is that the NCAA will do it for them.</p>
<p>You learn in law school that punishment has 3 motives:</p>
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<li>Deter the person.</li>
<li>Deter others.</li>
<li>Expression of moral anger.</li>
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<p>The issue with football is that the NCAA should in my opinion make a very, very clear statement to all its programs that this kind of deep-rooted moral turpitude will be punished harshly. As the report notes, the first thing that must change is the Penn State culture. This is true at every major sports school where protecting the program always comes first. This is why I would like to see the “death penalty,” meaning no football at all for the same length of time or longer than was applied to SMU. That was 2 years, as I remember. The athletes would be released to transfer anywhere without the usual penalty. </p>
<p>If people think that’s punishing the innocent, how do you think it works normally? When a school is punished for recruiting violations or for cheating, the sanctions are applied to the entire program even though the people involved are usually long gone. Look at college basketball. The coach of the NCAA champion leaves schools that are then sanctioned for violations he did. </p>
<p>As for the statue, that’s a moral issue. I think it has to go. I’m of mixed mind about things like the library. I think there may be value in leaving the name as a reminder of the shame.</p>
<p>I remember when this story first broke, I was in a meeting at work with about 8 people. The subject came up, and it was unhesitatingly unanimous - There should be no more Penn State football.</p>
<p>^^not pushing back fiercely. Actually haven’t ever been to a game. I just think it’s too easy – people elsewhere want to throw a hair shirt and have it be put on so THEY can feel like they’ve done their pitchfork work. (well, there’s a mixed metaphor). I’d rather see something permanent, like a reduction in budget, or number of programs, or buildings for athletics. A cap on revenue or a limit to expansion. Not something temporary, like a bunch of games. It’s precisely because I don’t care about the games that I want it to be more. </p>
<p>Same reason, LasMa, I think the statue needs to stay for now. I want it to come down in a thoughtful fashion. An unapologetic, unemotional dismantling with no regrets or accusations of caving to public opinion elsewhere. No benefit of the glare of publicity.I want some time to go by, so the call to remove it will be clear and unequivocal, and so it does not further Joemartyr syndrome. Some miserable winter day, under a grey sky, with no glamour and no call for help or sympathy.</p>
<p>Isn’t PSU issuing a statement in response to the report shortly, I thought I read 3:30 Eastern time. </p>
<p>If the TV channel switching is indicative of their current stance, they may wait to take any real actions as it might in their minds, admit guilt. Wondering about charges against Spanier, or additional charges against Curley and Schultz, and Courtney?</p>
<p>Louis Freeh ended his presentation of the report’s finding by saying it will be up to law enforcement to determine if there are legal charges to be pressed based on his findings.</p>
<p>Press conference from Philly/Scranton at 3:30. The hope is that firing the trifecta will be the main announcement.</p>
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<p>I think they should rename the library. There are too many who are apparently simply immune to shame and many more for which the shame will fade after a while. Thus the risk is the library will in time evolve into a memorial or rallying point for those die-hards who will try to rehabilitate Paterno into a great man, a hero, who was unjustly fired and literally hounded into an early grave.</p>
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<p>You don’t think these students have thought about this and know something went horribly wrong? </p>
<p>But rather than just sitting back and “reflecting” - they are being pro-active and working to make a difference. I like and admire that kind of spirit, resilience, and positive attitude. I applaud their efforts and will donate to their cause.</p>
<p>greenbutton, I see what you’re saying about the statue. Here’s my take on it: Every day that it remains is a day that the victims see Paterno being glorified. And it is now clear beyond any question that this terrible man stood between those victims and salvation. OTOH, if a “JoePa shame” ceremony down the road to commemorate the statue’s removal would help the victims, I’d be for that. Either way, I think they are the only group whose feelings ought to be considered in how and when it is removed.</p>
<p>^ I agree. every day the statue remains it is a form of continued denial of Paterno’s impact not just to the victims/survivors of abuse, but the impact to the entire university.</p>
<p>I think PSU students only have one tool in their toolbox to show they care, and it’s THON’s fault. That event gets so much attention and makes them all feel so good about themselves that they think it’s the best way to show good intentions. Got a problem? Organize an event to show solidarity and how great we are! In my neck of the woods that’s kind of blasphemous to say, but I get so tired of the “canning” and self righteousness. Lots of kids do it for fun and because it’s what everyone else is doing, and there’s certainly nothing wrong with that, but they really seem to think they are all so amazing and altruistic. It gets tiresome.</p>
<p>Grcxx3:</p>
<p>I sent you a pm.</p>
<p>Podvigs - so you dislike organized events aimed at raising awareness and money. What would you suggest the students do?</p>
<p>After earlier defending Paterno, Nike now “gets it,”</p>
<p>[Nike</a> taking Paterno’s name off child care center - Yahoo! Sports](<a href=“http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nike-taking-paternos-name-off-172236514--ncaaf.html]Nike”>http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nike-taking-paternos-name-off-172236514--ncaaf.html)</p>
<p>How ironic. A child care center of all things.</p>
<p>Penn State should move at least as quickly as Nike and now remove the statue and rename the library</p>
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<p>False. If that’s what you took away from what I wrote, then there’s no reason for me to answer your question.</p>