<p>I like the sentiment re the statue. :)</p>
<p>“It will be interesting to look back at this thread in the future as was looking back at the Duke LaCrosse players thread and see what happened in the courts and in the court of public opinion and to the university administration.”</p>
<p>You cannot be serious! The two cases could not be more different.</p>
<p>Okay, how do they play football without putting it behind them? Assuming they get to play some sort of season (let’s just agree to that for the sake of the conversation; it’s a big assumption at this point), how do they best demonstrate they are there to play a sport and change the culture, both. Or is that impossible? In all honesty, that’s a real question.</p>
<p>Also, from today’s newspaper of record for Centre Co, the editorial calls to take the statue down:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/17/3263422/remove-the-statue-and-paint-over.html[/url]”>http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/17/3263422/remove-the-statue-and-paint-over.html</a></p>
<p>Some people will defend sports and all the immoral and disgusting behavior sound it regardless. And it’s this boys will be boys mentality.</p>
<p>As an aside, there is a case going on with the us air force and sexual assualts and rapes by an instructor in Texas. It was covered up for years. Finally one brave victim came forward. Feeling safe to speak up, other instructors came forward and said there are at least another thirty victims of assualt by this instructor. So t the time only one of at least 30 women spoke up and pressed charges. This is very typical sadly that victims don’t feel safe. And finally those who knew are now talking.</p>
<p>I see that happening at Penn state or at least I hope that those that have been silent with regards to the football programs power will now come out and tell the whole story.</p>
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<p>Yes, exactly.</p>
<p>"…there is an airplane flying around the general area of Beaver Stadium, towing a sign that reads “Take Down the Statue Or We Will”. Seriously. I am not making this up."</p>
<p>I’m surprised it hasn’t been destroyed already.</p>
<p>“Also, from today’s newspaper of record for Centre Co, the editorial calls to take the statue down:”</p>
<p>The article just perpetuates the myth that “Paterno did nothing”. The reality is that he did LOTS.</p>
<p>Yes, Paterno did TOO much!</p>
<p>And the rest are just as culpable.</p>
<p>So, if the statue comes down, but you don’t like the reasoning, it doesn’t count?</p>
<p>The Penn State students have changed the name of the tent city camp-out (to get football tickets) from Paternoville to Nittanyville. </p>
<p>[Penn</a> State student group: Tent city now will be Nittanyville ? USATODAY.com](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2012-07-16/penn-state-paternoville-changing-name/56260388/1]Penn”>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2012-07-16/penn-state-paternoville-changing-name/56260388/1)</p>
<p>It’s a pretty mild gesture, but I suppose it’s something, and certainly better than rioting in support of Paterno as they did earlier. It would be a lot better if they went a lot further and actually did something substantial - like boycotting the games. An even better gesture would be camping all night to get the tickets and then publicly burning them.</p>
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<p>They don’t. That’s the whole point. That’s why football needs to go away, at least for a while - to keep the people inside the Penn State bubble from sweeping the whole thing under the rug and moving on to the next Big Game.</p>
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<p>I love it! It shows that a least a few people in the area are not still worshipping Paterno and have some courage.</p>
<p>“So, if the statue comes down, but you don’t like the reasoning, it doesn’t count?”</p>
<p>Not if they move it to the “All Sports Museum”. It would simply be inflicting yet another wound on the victims.</p>
<p>Hey, this guy watched as his own players had to march to their own graduation in bulletproof vests.</p>
<p>If they void all victories from the day he first knew about Professor Emeritus and closest associate Sandusky’s extracurriular activities (at least as far back as 1998, but I think we’ll find it was in the 1970s), there’d be no grounds for putting him in a sports anything</p>
<p>MomofWildChild - I think the NCAA will look very closely to see if there is anything they can rule on…I don’t believe that there has ever been a situation like this that involved administration and involvement of athletic coaching staff in criminal behavior. I’m guessing that if anyone stops football it will be the university who will stop football and not the NCAA which would be fine with the NCAA in my opinion. If the university makes a decision not to stop the football season then the NCAA will have to figure out what kind of sanctions they can actually impose and under what existing regulations they will fall. I would not want to be the NCAA governing board right now but I have a feeling they are doing all the research and due diligence they need to and assembling several plans of action plus they ARE releasing statements at appropriate intervals and making appropriate statements to set the stage including a warning shot and opening the door to Penn State’s administration to propose something. I would imagine all Div 1 programs are watching the NCAA to see how far they are “willing” to stretch their power since this is a criminal case.</p>
<p>There is a Facebook page re remove the statue.</p>
<p>greenbutton, the thing is, the statue can’t just be taken down; it must be destroyed. Otherwise, I guarantee that it will be obtained by a super-fan and put on display somewhere, on their front lawn or in a storefront, or else sold on e-bay in a big-bucks bidding war. Any of those outcomes would be disrespectful and hurtful to the victims, in a huge way. Its very existence has to end.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t there be some sort of rule about allowing sexual assaults to unchecked in athletic facilities? I would think harboring a rapist would count for something with regards to moral failings. And as the ncaa is not a legal body, their actions don’t require any legal proceedings in order to act. But they will us that as a shield form doing much of anything</p>
<p>Hey get a free meal and you are gone, abet a child rapist and woot you are fine</p>
<p>The problem of the university pulling the plug on football is that the financial sanctions from breaking all the contracts (not just the lost revenue) would be huge and it might be a financially irresponsible decision. It they are forced to do it, it’s still breach of contract, but not as much on their backs.</p>
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I would just note that even all these revelations from the Freeh report don’t necessarily mean that people other than Sandusky committed crimes–except, I think, for perjury. Note I’m not talking about moral obligations, but only legal ones.</p>
<p>So if it wasn’t illegal, it’s okay to not punish in a moral sense? In the past we had shunning. At Penn state it’s embrace the animal.</p>
<p>Hunt - what do you think about the application of the Mann Act (both to Professor Emeritus Sandusky and to the University?)</p>
<p>I doubt if PSU is a “person” for the purposes of the Mann Act, and I think it unlikely that the University “knowingly” transported anybody across state lines. It might work for Sandusky himself, though.</p>
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Seahorsesrock, you really need to work on your rhetoric. Who said it’s OK? I resent the idea that anybody who has any doubts about any element of this has to be painted as pro-child molestation. Do you think that all the employees and athletes at Penn State should be put to death? If not, doesn’t that make you pro-child molestation?</p>