<p>WTOP (DC news radio) talked to some football supporters that said they would never donate money or attend games again because of the statue is being taken down. No idea what percentage of fans they represent. Hopefully a very small percentage.</p>
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<p>well I heard they are keeping the name on the library… as a reminder to be quiet</p>
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Really? What are the strong academic areas of Ohio State? USC? What are graduates of Notre Dame actually known for academically - engineering, science, humanities, etc? Which specific fields?</p>
<p>Schools are always going to be known to the “general public” by one of two things - a dominant academic team (i.e., their ability to provide entertainment) or the number of times the school is referenced in entertainment and pop culture. The first category gives us the schools big in football and basketball, the second category gives us the top-top-top name schools that every TV/movie intellectual is associated with. Why would the “general public” know anything about other schools? Do you think that the University of Chicago (a generally well-regarded school) is really known to many people? How about Cooper Union? How many people, excluding those with recruiting obligations, can identify the relative strength of most schools or departments without referring to a list?</p>
<p>Second, as a Penn State grad, I neither knew nor cared what the “general public” knew about my school, I cared what employers knew about my program, and it turned out that in all the academic and professional interviews I had there was not one single question or comment about football. It seemed, startingly enough, that all they cared about was the fact that PSU produces a large number of highly-competent individuals in certain fields, and at least moderately-competent individuals in other fields. This is what matter to most people - those interested in associations with the football program buy season tickets, those interested in a strong academic program enroll.</p>
<p>“This is what matter to most people - those interested in associations with the football program buy season tickets, those interested in a strong academic program enroll.”</p>
<p>Good point.</p>
<p>They are still in damage control mode, trying to do things for appearance and not meaning it. First they refused to do anything about the statue or the library, and now after dragging their feet as much as they could, they take the statue down, but still keep it intact. As someone suggested that statue should have been scrapped and melted down. Every symbol honoring that man should be taken down and any reference to him should be in the context of examples of how people with absolute power abuse their privilege, and nothing else.</p>
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I hope it is obvious that I meant “a dominant athletic team” here…</p>
<p>NCAA Penalty<a href=“Rumor%20from%20PennLive.com%20Forum”>/U</a></p>
<p>**No football for 2013 season</p>
<p>*2012 revenues go to schools on 2013 away schedule</p>
<p>*8 schollies in 2014 through ???</p>
<p>*No Bowls for 5 years</p>
<p>*All wins since 92 vacated.</p>
<p>NCAA to oversee operations indefinitely</p>
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<p>Source: <a href=“http://www.pennlive.com/forums/psufootball/[/url]”>http://www.pennlive.com/forums/psufootball/</a></p>
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<p>But not many schools support 29 D-I varsity teams with a full roster of scholarship athletes in all the non-revenue sports. Many D-1 schools field half as many varsity teams, and don’t necessarily fill a full slate of scholarships in the non-revenue sports. The Ivies and some D-III schools have a lot of varsity teams but don’t have the expense of athletic scholarships. I’m not saying Penn State’s approach is better, but if football goes down it will mean enormous, wrenching changes to the rest of the school’s athletic programs. There’s just no way they can make up that $70 million or so in football-related revenue overnight.</p>
<p>Not sure, but my guess is even men’s basketball is probably a money loser at Penn State, which does not have a particularly strong basketball tradition and is in a small local market. Football Saturdays draw fans and alums from all over the state and beyond. Penn State basketball just doesn’t have that kind of drawing power. </p>
<p>I also think if Penn State football shuts down or faces bans on bowls or TV appearances, it hits the entire Big Ten conference pretty hard. The Big Ten schools pool bowl revenue; it goes into the conference which divvies it out in equal shares. And the Big Ten’s big TV contracts bring in as much money as they do mainly because Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State have enormous followings; that money all goes to the conference, which then allocates it in equal shares to member schools. So in a sense the financial penalties to Penn State from sanctions like bowl bans and TV bans would not be nearly as severe as they appear on paper, because Penn State would end up paying only 1/12 of it, with every other school in the conference also chipping in 1/12. Unless at that point the Big Ten takes further action and suspends Penn State, denying it a share of football bowl revenue and TV revenue. My guess is that’s what happens; the other schools are not going to let themselves be socked with big financial penalties for Penn State’s crimes.</p>
<p>The faculty will just love going to the library everyday that bears that great humanitarian’s name. They don’t seem to mind.</p>
<p>I am wondering what Penn State’s total liability is going to end up being in this debacle – how much will be covered by insurance, and how much will come out of the university’s coffers and/or general fund. Civil lawsuits filed by victims will undoubtedly result in massive punitive judgements against Penn State. How much can Penn State pay out before educational resources are affected?</p>
<p>The following letter was sent by the Penn Staters for Responsible Stewardship Group to the NCAA.</p>
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<p>Leaked sanctions from the PSU board via CBS, wow if true…</p>
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<p>Certainly worse than SMU’s death penalty by a mile!!! lol</p>
<p>I’ve stopped paying attention to speculation over sanctions since everything I read contradicts each other.</p>
<p>“Penn Staters for Responsible Stewardship,” if they actually exist as an organized entity, sound like the deniers-in-chief. Their blustering and threats are not going to help Penn State one bit with the NCAA, or (I suspect eventually) with the Big Ten. If this is the view of some segment of the Penn State community, it’s just further evidence of how insular, out-of-touch, and out-of-control the football culture and JoePa’s cult of personality have gotten at Penn State.</p>
<p>But to be perfectly candid, I’m not sure this represents the view of very many actual “Penn Staters.” It just sounds like some a**hole lawyer in Harrisburg trying to make a name for himself, hoping to rake in a few bucks from embittered Penn State football fans.</p>
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So this group of 5000 Penn Staters still dont believe Paterno, Spanier, Schultz and Curley did anything wrong and PSU is being punished solely for the crimes of Sandusky.
Interestingly, Spanier, as a member of the NCAA Board of Directors had no problem issuing sanctions on Boise States FB program w/o a full NCAA investigation. BSU reported their violation - FB recruits stayed w current players during a visit to the school. BSU self-imposed (1) a reduction in the number of FB scholarships and (2) a decrease in the number of summer practice sessions. The NCAA w/o an investigation imposed additional penalties.</p>
<p>Sally Mason (Iowa’s president) has stated the Big Ten may go further then the NCAA. The article says “Mason is the chair of the Big Ten’s council of presidents and chancellors”. So she has some power. At her time at Iowa she has shown with her actions she is not the biggest fan of College Athletics. Could be something that comes up.</p>
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<p>[Iowa</a> president: Big Ten has ‘jurisdiction’ to punish Penn State - CBSSports.com](<a href=“NCAA Football - College Football News, Scores, Stats, Standings, and Rumors - CBSSports.com”>NCAA Football - College Football News, Scores, Stats, Standings, and Rumors - CBSSports.com)</p>
<p>The word on the street is that ND could step in for PSU… lol</p>
<p>Couldn’t sleep at all tonight… :(</p>
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<p>This sentence doesn’t even make sense. What does it mean to “believe in having the power to control events that don’t violate rules”? For a lawyer, this guy’s writing style leaves a lot to be desired.</p>
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Not a member of the group, but I think their response would be that Sandusky is the only one mentioned has been convicted - Curley and Schultz likely WILL be convicted, Spanier will at this point quite probably get indicted soon (and likely convicted later), and Paterno… well, Paterno is dead. On one hand, the NCAA is trying to act before the start of the season (understandable), but is also trying to levy punishments based on a single imperfect report by a third party. So it may be useful to think of them as a counterweight to the NCAA, interested in truth while the NCAA is interested in timeliness. This makes sense, as both parties are acting in their own best interests - the NCAA profits most from a speedy and popular response irrespective of justice, while this group feels that they benefit most from a just response based on a review of ALL the information, not just that which is easily available during pre-trial lockdown.</p>
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I doubt this group thinks well of Spanier, so this may not be as strong an argument as you think. First of all, they raise a good point, and even if it has not been raised before the fact does remain that the NCAA does a heck of a lot for which they have no authority. Second, insofar as they lack that authority, an injustice done to a previous party does not excuse an injustice done to a present party. Finally, I strongly doubt that many, if any, of the backers of this effort were particularly aware of that Boise State action, nor gave it any real thought - belief that the guy wearing the badge and doing the shooting is doing the right thing is pretty common, until he starts shooting at you, at which point his unavoidable imperfections become both plainly visible as well as incredibly relevant.</p>
<p>I should also note that ex post facto laws are constitutionally forbiden in this country, which means that every Congress since the first one has thought it a bad idea to punish people for breaking rules that did not exist. I understand that this is only for actual laws, but this seems like a big enough deal that it should be considered.</p>
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Makes perfect sense - the NCAA is essentially trying to regulate criminal actions that are in very large part outside their jurisdiction. While you and I and others may disagree as to the truth of that statement, I do not think it is especially hard to comprehend.</p>
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