<p>All true, but since very few programs get into top bowl games, i doubt Bowl game appearences are a top recruting tool…my guess is PSU is not terribly competetive in the near term, but will be in 5+ years…(though not a top 20 team)</p>
<p>It will take years to bounce back from this- if ever. As it should.</p>
<p>Bowl game appearances are important for recruiting. Even Vanderbilt went to a bowl last year and it was a HUGE selling point.</p>
<p>And now adding the Big 10 revenue losses and these are huge, huge, fines. Everyone got their proverbial pound of flesh, unfortunately now the pounds of flesh get transferred through the system over the decade. The outcome is not at all surprising to me and really the only “way” the NCAA and the Big 10 could make an imprint within their purview. The really sad part if the football haters will drift away content that Penn State football is diminished, the courts and legal systems will pick up and punish the criminals but the students, profs,and new administration will be left to pick up the pieces…or as someone cavalierly called it “collateral damage” It will be very interested to see how much of this fallout impacts the academic side in terms of caliber of student, peer scores, research money etc. I can’t imagine that the academic side will come through unscathed.</p>
<p>I said top bowl games, going to the Chuckie Cheese Bowl game with a record of 5-7 is not really a big deal. ;)</p>
<p>All morning quotes from “A Few Good Men” have been running through my mind:</p>
<p>Jessep: “You want answers?”<br>
Kaffee: “I think I’m entitled to them.”
Jessep: “You want answers?”
Kaffee: “I want the truth.”
Jessep: “You can’t handle the truth.”</p>
<p>but even more, today:</p>
<p>Downey: “What did we do wrong? We did nothing wrong.”
Dawson: “Yeah, we did. We were supposed to fight for the people who couldn’t fight for themselves. We were supposed to fight for Willie.”</p>
<p>Once agin, without punishing the adminstrators,the end result is not fair</p>
<p>Even the lower level bowl games are a big deal to the players and the schools.</p>
<p>The whole bowl game concept has been watered down…where is the accomplishment when a school attends a crappy bowl while having a mediocre season…It is an example of what we are doing wrong, rewarding mediocrity or participation</p>
<p>I am hoping that with the NCAA taking strong action against Penn State, this and Sandusky’s convictions, will further influence the indictment against Spanier. I am outraged that he has had zero consequences and remains employed in a national security position. As the president of Penn State the buck should have stopped with him, yet instead he continues to earn the big bucks. While Penn State football deserves these sanctions, concealing Sandusky’s crimes would never have happened if Spanier didn’t agree to it.</p>
<p>With respect to the $60 million fine, I’m guessing the loyal alums will rush to fill that coffer over the next few years, so it won’t mean much.</p>
<p>I’m not going to argue about bowl games with you on this thread.</p>
<p>Phillyfed–</p>
<p>Re the administrators–Curley and Shultz have already been indicted and, if convicted, face jail time. Spanier’s indictment is “inevitable”:</p>
<p>[After</a> Freeh Report, Legal Expert Says Indictment of Spanier Appears ‘Inevitable’ - The Ticker - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/after-freeh-report-legal-expert-says-indictment-of-spanier-appears-inevitable/45507]After”>The Ticker: After Freeh Report, Legal Expert Says Indictment of Spanier Appears ‘Inevitable’)</p>
<p>Those penalties fall short of what was needed. The fact that PSU will step on a football field is a sign that the good ol’ boys are still out of touch, but still run the show. This was an opportunity to send a strong message that things need to change. </p>
<p>By Thanksgiving, nobody will remember what happened. By Christmas, the morons will call for Paterno’s statue to be returned. The diehard fans will do everything possible to erase the impact of this slap on the wrist of PSU. </p>
<p>What a joke!</p>
<p>Janesmith, both Curley and Schultz will be happy if the perjury charges are all they face</p>
<p>As I’ve mentioned a couple of times in this thread, the criminal cases agains Curley and Schultz are not straightforward–personally, I think it unlikely that they can be convicted for failing to report, because I don’t think the reporting statute covers them under the facts of the case (or Spanier, either, for that matter). They may be convicted of perjury, but even there it depends on exactly what they said under oath, and what impact the false statements may have had on the outcome of the legal proceedings against Sandusky. I’m not aware of other potential charges against any of these people, unless some new evidence comes out. They may have significant civil liability, though.</p>
<p>Hunt, i feel Curley and Schultz should find a similar fate of Monsignor Lynn… Similar situations…I say this as i recall you are from PA area?</p>
<p>They face astronomical civil liability, as does Penn State.</p>
<p>Now that the win’s are vacated, doesn’t this mean that all the players who played their hearts out for Penn State and knew nothing of the bad behavior of the coaches are now losers? That seems very unfair to the players to retroactively vacate their wins.</p>
<p>It is possible that the football team would be more powerful after 5 years than it is now because Penn State will start cutting some of their sports programs for luck of funds. </p>
<p>I can promise you that by end of these sanctions, they would have cut gymnastics, women softball, fencing, swimming and diving, golf, field hockey, etc.</p>
<p>And then what? The football program which caused the problems would end up benefiting more from these sanctions!</p>
<p>Be careful of what you wish for.</p>