<p>People have complained about “Penn State people won’t ever believe it regardless of what is said…” </p>
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<p>Here you go criticizing regardless of what anybody does, it won’t be enough. It’s time to move on.</p>
<p>For those who still don’t get it. Football was Penn state. Penn state was football. Not everyone needed to drink the koolaid for football to rule. But it did.
Now it’s come back to bite them. </p>
<p>If it’s truly we are Penn state, the you must take the goodmwith the bad and take a good look inward and your school and ask how and why did we encourage this. Why was one man sooo revered unquestionably? And why are so many so fearful of speaking out?</p>
<p>Sad indeed that the victims get lost in worrying about a few football players having to be adult and deal with the program they signed up for. That’s life. </p>
<p>I have know children who had mich worse things happen who are less whiney then Penn state supporters.</p>
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<p>A $60 million financial hit is big for any public university. As for the loss of scholarships and the bowl ban, most national recruiting experts, as well as the HS football coaches who advise these kids, think the impact on Penn State’s football recruitment will be enormous. They’ve already lost some incoming 2012 recruits and a number of highly touted 2013 verbals have decommitted. Those numbers will only continue to grow.</p>
<p>[Sanctions</a> already taking toll on Penn State recruiting](<a href=“http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20120724_Sanctions_already_taking_toll_on_Penn_State_recruiting.html]Sanctions”>Sports)</p>
<p>[Recruiting</a> experts: Crippling sanctions just killed Penn State football | Other Colleges | Detroit Free Press | freep.com](<a href=“http://www.freep.com/article/20120724/SPORTS08/207240439/Recruiting-experts-Crippling-sanctions-just-killed-Penn-State-football]Recruiting”>http://www.freep.com/article/20120724/SPORTS08/207240439/Recruiting-experts-Crippling-sanctions-just-killed-Penn-State-football)</p>
<p>[First</a> Penn State post-sanction decommitment recruit picks Michigan](<a href=“http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/20120724_First_Penn_State_post-sanction_decommitment_recruit_picks_Michigan.html]First”>First Penn State post-sanction decommitment recruit picks Michigan)</p>
<p>Clinton, I wrote “The loss of scholarships will be easily survived, and amount to a meaningless penalty when considering the alternative, namely a life without football.” </p>
<p>Obviously, the loss of scholarships and bowl invitations will impact the style of a football program that has ambitions. PSU will be at a disadvantage when compared to what it WAS. However, the loss of scholarships from 85 to 75 or 65 still leaves them in decent shape, as long as one does not expect them to be ultra-competitive and among the best 50 teams in the country. </p>
<p>And, again, the issue is that they are still a football team, and when compared to a lengthy death penalty, PSU came out very well. </p>
<p>Sixty millions is not chump change, but not beyond the reach of a storied program supported by rabid fans. This will crimp their lavish lifestyle, but will not cripple them. And that is too bad!</p>
<p>I’ve been on CC since 2004 … in that time USC, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, UNC and Miami, at least, have received major sanctions from the NCAA. I do not recall and major concern about the innocent victims of those NCAA sanctions. I’m not sure what it means but it’s interesting the PSU community is the only one up in arms about the effect of the penalties on football at the school and the rest of their school community.</p>
<p>PS - it’s also a sad fact that in 8 years 1/4 of the traditional top 25 has been nailed with infractions. The NCAA certainly went further this time but this is a relatively new NCAA president … hopefully he is trying to change the culture at the NCAA … and trying to bring college sports back under control.</p>
<p>“won’t someone think of the innocent merchants” is just code for “I want my PSU football and can’t imagine a world without it.” because goodness knows, it would be awful if PSU never played again; why, there are no other football games ever played in this country. </p>
<p>And why Paterno’s family’s opinion is relevant to anything, I don’t understand. If Paternno were still alive, his opinions might be relevant. But theirs? Sorry for their loss, but why treat them as important?</p>
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<p>as you tell us all your opinion…</p>
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<p>PG is posting her opinion on CC, not to the AP, ESPN, CNN, FOX, BBC etc. I hardly think that is a valid comparison Hops.</p>
<p>The paterno family are all aboit joe and his legacy. He walked on water and it’s every elses fault. They would take down Penn state if it saved joes reputation.</p>
<p>They are so out of touch it’s laughible. So used to everyone bowing before him they can’t believe no one cares what they have to say and when they acuse everyonnbut ole Joe and doesn’t work, they seem flumoxed.</p>
<p>SpanieR now is saying he was abused as a child, not sexually, but beaten, and as a victim he wouls have never knowingly turned away ofnhe had known.</p>
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<p>We’ll never know the whole story regarding Joe Paterno, but I can certainly understand why they want to protect what they can as it’s as easy to speak ill of the dead as it is to blame someone who is not there to defend themselves. Clearly I’m not defending Joe Paterno, but as a human I can understand his family’s response. The family has also given millions back to the college over the years as well as to the community and I would guess the university and the community would appreciate their continued support. And finally the man won those football games regardless if the NCAA takes the listing away so I’m sure there are people that are going to defend that.</p>
<p>3togo, if i remember correctly Rich Rod had his players practice too many hours at Michigan and they received sanctions for practicing more than the guidelines permit but that’s about all i remember lately from the NCAA regarding Michigan.</p>
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USC (~37,000 students) is in Los Angeles (~3.8 million residents, ~100:1)
Alabama (~26,000 students) is in Tuscaloosa (~92,000 residents, ~3.5:1)
Ohio State (~57,000 students) is in Columbus (~787,000 residents, ~14:1)
Michigan (~43,000 students) is in Ann Arbor (~114,000 residents, ~2.7:1)
UNC (~29,000 students) is in Chapel Hill (~57,000 residents, ~2:1)
Miami (~16,000 students) is in Miami (~409,000 residents, ~25:1)</p>
<p>Penn State (~45,000 students) is in State College (~42,000 residents, ~1:1)</p>
<p>Do you see the issue? All of those universities contribute to the revenue of their host towns and cities, but these are the biggest sanctions ever levied, on the only listed university that is bigger than the town it occupies. Said town is named for the presence of the school and exists in an essential tourist vacuum that is filled only for home football weekends and a couple of other events (all but one, Arts Fest, associated with PSU) - there is nothing else to draw people for hours around State College, so this void is NOT going to be replaced by anything else.</p>
<p>Do you know the meanin of “Black Friday”? It is the day when, thanks to Christmas sales, department stores would finally begin to operate “in the black” for the year, turning a profit. For many of State College’s restaurants, hotels, and other companies, the equivalent is the start of the football season.</p>
<p>So is there a reason why a community hit with the largest sanctions in history, with the smallest (absolute AND relative to the school) and most dependent economy, in the middle of a recession, would be the first to complain about the impact of the sanctions?</p>
<p>Yes. Yes there is.</p>
<p>“as you tell us all your opinion…” </p>
<p>“PG is posting her opinion on CC, not to the AP, ESPN, CNN, FOX, BBC etc. I hardly think that is a valid comparison Hops.”</p>
<p>CC is good for a laugh every so often.</p>
<p>Cosmicfish, I believe the NCAA did what they could to decrease the impact to the innocent community members/ students/ and football players. But there is definitely going to be those that suffer. Just like when a large company that is the heart and soul of a small town closes or moves. The workers and those that support them suffer- and have no say in the company change.</p>
<p>I sometimes don’t understand why people don’t understand the economics of all of this. I was arguing about that days ago and people kept barking at me that it was “necessary collateral damage” for a town that is “cult-like.”</p>
<p>cosmicfish, would you mind telling us what you think the proper reaction to these revelations would have been on the part of the NCAA and PSU’s BOT and administration? WHat steps should have been taken?</p>
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<p>As someone posted upthread, there are less than 10 home games played per season. According to the link below, there will be 6 home games this year. How can that be so important to the surrounding businesses?</p>
<p>[2012</a> Penn State Football Schedule - PSU Nittany Lions](<a href=“HappyValley.com”>HappyValley.com)</p>
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Please tell me how much time you spent at Penn State. Please.</p>
<p>Is PSU all about football right now? Darn right it is. Because that is where we are being attacked.</p>
<p>Is it usually? For a few, yes - there are always fanatics. For most, no - football is something fun to do on the weekends, not the centerpoint of their lives.</p>
<p>Personally, in 24 years in State College, I attended two games. The first (1994?) I was selling sodas in the stands to benefit a charity. The second was a scrimmage (free entry) and I knew one of the players. I catch 2-3 games a year on TV. I’m not a huge college football fan, much less a PSU fan. So why am I defending the team? Because that is where the school is being attacked. Does that mean I am defending Sandusky, child abuse, or the cover up? Absolutely not.</p>
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Estimates that I saw previously stated that the impact for a single home game was around $10M for the region. That is about $2500 per game per resident, or ~$15k per resident. Trust me, that is a big impact, especially in a weak economy.</p>
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Unfortunately, the most egregious behavior in history earned the largest sanctions in history. Penn State certainly hurt a lot of people who were depending on them.</p>
<p>On the positive side, they were wise to adopt a cooperative stance with the NCAA, sign the consent decree, and get off relatively lightly. Otherwise, they would have faced the multi-year death penalty, and caused even greater harm to their community.</p>