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<p>Yes, that’s what I think. And in four years time all the suspensions and penalties will be over. The press coverage will have long since died down. They can bring the statue back out of storage and simply carry on as before. </p>
<p>Just a few lean years to get through then back to doing what Penn State does best and what really counts - living and breathing football.</p>
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<p>To anyone outside the PSU family, that does nothing but make PSU a laughingstock. Posts like that should be kept as quiet as possible.</p>
<p>I don’t think some of you realize how serious these sanctions are for a football program like Penn State’s. Yes, they will field a team, but it will be like a lower D1 team and they will lose a lot of fans. The loss of scholarships will have a huge impact as well and it is not going to just bounce right back after a few years. </p>
<p>I think the sanctions are serious and will have an impact- as they should.</p>
<p>I think it’s a good thing that there are people at Penn State who still ascribe to the value of “Success with Honor,” even if their leaders didn’t. It’s better than simply cynically accepting that everything is tainted and that everyone is a hypocrite.</p>
<p>“Yes, they will field a team, but it will be like a lower D1 team and they will lose a lot of fans.”</p>
<p>We’ll find out if they really are PENN STATE, won’t we? Will there still be the same love and pride for the Nittany Lions when the players are mediocre and every conference game is a blowout? Let’s see.</p>
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I have absolutey no argument with that.</p>
<p>Well Hanna-Badger fans went through that type of reality for about 30 years and were very loyal most of the time. But winning is more fun.</p>
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<p>"So to those so gleeful over the tragedy and the repercussions that have befallen Penn State, to those that so<em>happily write us off as defeated and finished, to those that want to discount and disparage our pride, tradition,</em>and principle of Success With Honor, I have bad news.</p>
<p>“WE ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, PENN STATE.” </p>
<p>To anyone outside the PSU family, that does nothing but make PSU a laughingstock. Posts like that should be kept as quiet as possible. </p>
<p>I couldn’t agree more. About 20 yrs ago , I met my first PSU alum…she bragged about it like no one I had ever known who were proud of their school</p>
<p>I didn’t get it.</p>
<p>I grew up in the area of some very elite colleges and universities ( Massachusetts ) I know people who have had some very impressive educations and degrees…several Ivy league , yet never put it in people’s faces or wore it as a badge as the PSU grads I have encountered .
Beyond football what makes PSU any better than other large, state flagship universities ? I just don’t grasp the arrogance and superior attitude that PSU folks seem to THINK they deserve …or the ability to see how special they think they are and should be viewed by everyone else outside of the make believe world of " Happy Valley "</p>
<p>It is incredibly hard for sexual abuse survivors to come forward. I absolutely do think there are many more victims. Now that Sandusky is in jail, some may feel safe to speak up.</p>
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<p>That is what rabid fans are claiming. However, the parallel with SMU is not that clear. Both schools were/are hit with losses of scholarships, but what decapitated SMU was the immediate and irrevocable death penalty of two seasons. A team that used to fill Texas Stadium was wiped from the map, and returned to a glorified … soccer field without a team. MOWC, you must have driven by Ownby Stadium. Talk about a change of venue. Talk about a different team! </p>
<p>In the case of Penn State, their football team will still have 65 to 75 scholarship players, and the team will still play in front of the same fans in the same stadium. The rabid followers will be cajoled, pushed, and re-energized to demonstrate how wrong the world treated their team. They will consider this purgatory time as a rebuilding period but still have last year’s juniors, sophomores, freshmen, and countless redshirted students. </p>
<p>Their winning or losing record will be irrelevant in term of post season play. But for Happy Valley, it will still mean that football is alive and kicking. And that … should have never been an option. The current players who wanted to play football should have been playing somewhere else, and so would be this year recruited class. PSU will be less glorious, but they will still play in a few days! Play with less successes? Perhaps. But still play. Play with Honor? Nope!</p>
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<p>Is that why there were several who didn’t tell anybody until this came out? And then the first person they told was on national television. Not even the police…</p>
<p>Maybe they felt that going VERY public would, in a way, be a safety net. If everyone knows the secret there is nothing to hide/fear/conceal.<br>
Sandusky is in jail. Multiple PSU admins are up on charges,others are likely to have charges filed against them. The NCAA has issued the sanctions, which do not include the death penalty.<br>
I would have though going to the police would have been the best course of action…but I am not a victim of this mess.</p>
<p>Mom2M, I’m not talking specifically about the victims of Sandusky. There was a lady who I believe is now in Washington DC who went on national television and told the TV show that she had been sexually abused, etc by one of her high school coaches. </p>
<p>He was a well-respected coach and teacher in the St. Louis area. He was fired the next day. And you know what? I’ve never heard another word after she went on TV and the news article in the paper.</p>
<p>hops–“And then the first person they told was on national television. Not even the police…”</p>
<p>what do you mean, who was the first person they told on television?</p>
<p>I had the understanding that the case began with victim 1, the young man whose mother went to the HS guidance counselor to report Sandusky, and they pursued it further. This triggered the investigation by Pennsylvania State Police and the attorney general. I thought others came forward in response to the investigation. Which victim(s) are you referring to who told on national television?</p>
<p>cross posted with hops. still don’t get why you’d reference a case unrelated, what case was that? seemed you were referencing Sandusky’s victims.</p>
<p>Sorry Hops, I thought you were referring to the Sandusky victim who just filed a civil suit.</p>
<p>“Is that why there were several who didn’t tell anybody until this came out? And then the first person they told was on national television. Not even the police…”</p>
<p>No, I think their attoneys were the first people they told. More power to them!</p>
<p>Okay, I see you are referring to some person not mentioned previously, not the Sandusky vicitims.</p>
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<p>LOL! Ever talked to a Saints fan??? Yeah - they might have worn bags over their heads for a while…but they were at the games!</p>
<p>From what I have read and heard - the students and alums are strongly encouraging everyone to support the new coaching staff and especially the young men who make a commitment to play football for Penn State. Yes, there are some players who have/will jump ship to go play with other schools, but there are also many who are staying. Will there be some empty seats in Beaver Stadium? Probably. But it will be interesting to see.</p>
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<p>I guess you’ve never talked to anyone from Alabama, Michigan, UT-Austin, TX A&M - or any other big flagship university! To be honest, the A&M ones are the most rabid - and I know because I happen to hang out with a lot of them. I like them all - but they make Penn State alums seem meek. 
And as it turns out, 3 people I have known fairly well for about 10 years are all Penn State grads, but I didn’t know about it until this tragic situation arose.</p>
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<p>The students and alumni of Penn State have had to deal with the reality that people they “thought” they could trust were not worthy of that trust. In addition, students and alums have been subjected to a barrage of criticisms and insults from folks across the nation. Paraphrasing things I’ve read here and other sites …</p>
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<li>there is no way I would ever send my child to that school</li>
<li>any freshmen going to Penn State this fall is an idiot</li>
<li>Penn State students should be hanging their heads in shame</li>
<li>the next time a Penn State grad applies for a job in my company, I’ll show him/her the door</li>
<li>if I were a Penn State grad, I would tear up my diploma</li>
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<p>This is not to say that there aren’t Penn State fanatics out there making idiots of themselves. Without question, there are plenty and they are obnoxiously vocal. They are embarrassments to the entire university community. And there will always be some who will never believe that Paterno could ever do anything wrong. But then, I know people who refuse to believe that JFK was a womanizer. ;)</p>
<p>Ironically, most of the people I saw on ESPN (after the NCAA announcement) that rubbed me the wrong way with their comments were adults, not students. And as for the students, I have to give them a little bit of a pass (but just a little). I certainly made some comments and supported some things in my youth that I cringe about now.</p>
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<p>Now- on a more positive note……
“At a time when Penn State University is taking a beating in the media and in the public eye, it’s easy to forget how much good is being done at the university.“
[Positivity</a> at Penn State; One Oregon family’s story - YouTube](<a href=“Positivity at Penn State; One Oregon family's story - YouTube”>Positivity at Penn State; One Oregon family's story - YouTube)</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone should have any issue with how any of these young men came forward. That they had the courage to do so at all is the most important thing.</p>
<p>^^ I’ve posted I would not send a child of mine to PSU because of the poor decision making from the top down and I make no apology for it. I’ve read similar posts on this site regarding various schools for much less, such as a rejection letter 30 years ago. I tend to agree with mini when he asks, “Where are the faculty on this? Why have we not heard from them?” More and more comes out each day. The latest is the PSU attorney, or was she Spanier and Schultz’s attorney? Oh, that will have to be sorted out. Stay tuned…</p>
<p>Not sure if this has already been brought up in the thread;</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State’s insurance company wants to deny liability coverage because of Sandusky | PennLive.com](<a href=“Penn State's insurance company wants to deny liability coverage because of Sandusky - pennlive.com”>Penn State's insurance company wants to deny liability coverage because of Sandusky - pennlive.com)</p>