Penn State Sandusky scandal

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<p>Well, fair enough. There were certainly schools and areas of the country that we ruled out for our children, and some that they ruled out for themselves - all for a variety of reasons. But - while I had no desire to send my kids to those schools - I would never criticize those who did choose to attend them.</p>

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<p>I’m thinking probably not. If it’s not already, I bet it soon will become a point of Penn State pride to fill the stadium for every game despite the sanctions. To show the world that everybody out there is all wrong. To show the world Penn State can’t be beaten down. To show that the spirit of JoePa lives on. </p>

<p>And what better way to demonstrate to everyone that there is so much more to Penn State than just football than by filling the football stadium for every game…Oops!</p>

<p>The faculty was interviewed by Freehs team and had an open line to report anything they needed to to Freeh. </p>

<p>The faculty did not band into a frenzied mob to make demands or try to push others into action by ganging up on them. I am sure the media would have loved it if they had.</p>

<p>I guess they are guilty of not rushing into action before all the facts are in.</p>

<p>See page 12freeh report for those interviewed</p>

<p>I agree, coureur. From everything I’ve heard and read from students, alums and players, this is exacerbating football fever, not mitigating it. I’d be shocked if Beaver Stadium isn’t packed to the rafters for every game.</p>

<p>sax, what kinds of facts are you waiting for? Do you still doubt that Sandusky molested kids? Or that Paterno, Spanier et al covered it up? Do you think there’s some big ball of evidence out there that will exonerate them? I’m just confused about what you think is still missing.</p>

<p>Do you not think it would be helpful to actually have a trial where these people can have an opportunity to defend themselves?</p>

<p>Or shall we just skip the trial?</p>

<p>Las mas. Here’s what I think right now. Sandusky guilty. Swartz curly Paterno and Spanier guilty of perjury at the least. Mcqueary and the janitor guilty of walking away from a crime they witnessed. </p>

<p>The BOT guilty of being pushed around by Spanier and the press.</p>

<p>I don’t care about the football or the NCAA or the stupid statue.</p>

<p>Oh and I would really like to know much more about Corbitt’s actions or inactions.</p>

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<p>Well, fair enough. There were certainly schools and areas of the country that we ruled out for our children, and some that they ruled out for themselves - all for a variety of reasons. But - while I had no desire to send my kids to those schools - I would never criticize those who did choose to attend them."</p>

<p>Who has done that? I have not seen anyone criticize anyone else for choosing PSU and I have certainly not done that.</p>

<p>I am with Sax here. Sandusky has been found guilty and anything pertaining to him should be treated as that of a felon’s actions. There are two who are indicted and are entitled to a fair trial I do believe there are a number of Penn State people who should be indicted, and the University needs to come to some decision how they want to move forward with their own actions as schools have the right to do. They also have the responsibility to try to keep the institution afloat the best they can. The state of PA also has some decisions to make as state money does go to the school. There will be civil suits galore from this, I think we all agree, </p>

<p>I would like this handled the right way. </p>

<p>I do believe that the report gives plenty of ground for a lot of people at Penn State that should be fired or should resign. I hope that is in the works.</p>

<p>Also, if Mini is right, and he seems to be on point in terms of how this is going, the current governor and others are also involved, and the DA’s office has a lot of digging to do, and there are some others involved in this that should be brought up on charges , so that some answers can be obtained. Note that I say, brought up on charges, not punished, though that in itself is punishment. It is the avenue that needs to be taken in these cases.</p>

<p>Right now I would not want a child or mine to go to Penn State either. Too much uncertainty there. A shame because it was a school on our list for our youngest.</p>

<p>Sax:</p>

<p>You have been asking for facts since the beginning of this sad affair. Points to you for consistency!</p>

<p>My question to you:</p>

<p>Isn’t enough information available for faculty to speak up publicly?</p>

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<p>I didn’t say that YOU had done it, OhioMom, but it has been done.</p>

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The fact that no one is talking should be pretty clear indication that the administration and Board of Trustees has by force, coersion, or persuasion managed to keep any employees (including faculty) from talking to the press. The university is trying very hard to have a single official voice at the moment.</p>

<p>We don’t know everything that is happening at the university, only what is released to the media. I sincerely hope that they are going carefully over a number of options and address the flaws in their system that allowed this situation to happen. I don’t think it would be helpful at this time for employees and others who are involved in any decisions to be talking to the press. That the Freeh report was made public so quickly is surprising to me.</p>

<p>Tenured faculty is expected to show some courage. Their caving down to PSU pressure is pathetic.</p>

<p>PS: the janitors who were afraid to speak up were not tenured</p>

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<p>I agree about the faculty/employees, and the Freeh report being released to everyone at once was a very bold and good thing.</p>
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<p>I cannot imagine that the faculty which is huge in number can come to any sort of agreement in order to make a unified statement.</p>

<p>Though as adults, the janitors should have said/done something, even if it were an anonymous call to the police reporting the events, I can truly understand why they would not have done so, given the way that so many high up in university structure, up to Paterno himself and the president of the univesity, knew what was going down and were letting it happen. </p>

<p>I do believe that EVERYONE, including the janitors, students need to be given a clear statement of how this sort of thing needs to be handled, and that it has to be reported and ANY adult who is privy to knowing children are being abused or asituations that make it reasonable to make that assumptions has to report it or will be in a lot of trouble. There should also be an easy way to report these things. No adult who sees or has good reason to suspect a child is being harmed should let it go. Those in positions where they are responsible for children have a legal responsibility to report these things, and it is going to have to be enforced at Penn State, and hopefully what transpired here makes its mark everywhere.</p>

<p>There are a lot of people who have some answering to do to the law as to why they did not report what they saw or heard. McQueary’s father and friend who were told what he saw, were doctors, where they not? Why didn’t they just pick up the phone and report what they were told? Even anonymously. No one seemed to have cared about these children which is what still shakens me. That is the note that resounds the most from that Freeh report. The children and what possibly was happening and could happen to them was not a concern in the least. Not a memo about what was possibly being done to the children, What happened to that child. Let’s go find the child and make sure he is all right. Nothing. </p>

<p>What is particularly frightening to me, is that I don’t think that these people at Penn state are some monsters (other than Sandusky). I believe that someone who would molest, rape, abuse children on a systematic basis is rare and is a monster (Sandusky), but the others are the people around us and maybe even ourselves, if a system is not in place for us to be able to report something like this. </p>

<p>In all honesty, if my job and life situation were at stake, unless I saw it with my own eyes, or someone very directly told me that they saw the very situation, I don’t think I would want to report something like this. If it doesn’t pan out, not enough proof, and the denials win out, you are out of a job and shamed. </p>

<p>The one thing I can say unequivocally say about ME, is that if I had seen what McQ says he saw, I would not have just made a noise and left the place, even if it were the POTUS himself doing the dastardly deed to a child. And if my son or anyone came and told me what s/he just saw, I would immediately call the police. My fear would have been for that child. Would McQ, father/friend have reacted the same way had he said the kid was being murdered or hacked with an ax or knife? </p>

<p>Also, hard though it may be for you more worldly ones to believe, I was naive enough that I would not have believed that someone was doing this sort of thing before this without having seen it with my own eyes or someone explicitly telling me what they saw. There are people who are bad about personal space and are may be overstepping what are considered appropriate bounds, yes, with children, but my mind would not have gone there to the possibility that they were raping those kids That someone who was working with children like Sandusky was, have adopted kids, made his life about kids, was a serial child rapist was not something believable to me. My brain would not have gone there. Now it would, thanks to Sandusky.</p>

<p>"I cannot imagine that the faculty which is huge in number can come to any sort of agreement in order to make a unified statement.’</p>

<p>They don’t need to make a unified statement. One (or more) could make some statement, any statement.</p>

<p>Here is one faculty member speaking up.</p>

<p>[One</a> Faculty Member’s Position on the Current State of Affairs - Onward State](<a href=“http://onwardstate.com/community/one-faculty-members-position-on-the-current-state-of-affairs/]One”>One Faculty Member's Position on the Current State of Affairs - Onward State)</p>

<p>Its been up for a day or so, so I would assume if not from the faculty member (Assistant Professor, Hotel/Hospitality), there would be a retraction/removal of the post by now.</p>

<p>So, its a assitant prof complaning about unfairly Penn State was treated.</p>

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<p>I didn’t say that YOU had done it, OhioMom, but it has been done."</p>

<p>I haven’t read the entire thread, but much of it since November and I haven’t see it.</p>

<p>Regarding kayf’s post above: Wow! </p>

<p>Okay, there’s one faculty member. Do not need a unified statement.</p>

<p>From link above (PSU faculty member):</p>

<p>“I am getting sick and tired of listening to people say that Penn State has put football ahead of everything else and that this is part of the Penn State culture. That is HORSE MANURE!..”</p>

<p>Wow! Wow! Wow! You have to read this article!</p>