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<p>Sure. Go ahead and start a thread. It may prove interesting. It won’t help Penn State any though. Their scandal will still be just as huge.</p>
<p>Never said it would help or impact or diminish the severity of what happened at Penn State. </p>
<p>But it is definitely something the NCAA needs to deal with, and deal with severely.</p>
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<p>Yes, but you also have to look at who organizes those showcases. The answer is most often a combination of lower-level coaches and parents. And, that is why the main subject of conversation in the various athletic parental peanut galleries is none other than … scholarships. </p>
<p>It is a cattle market, but that is exactly what many parents want. Panem et Circenses.</p>
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<p>Why would you think the Ivy league schools are honest? I know of a bidding war between Penn and Harvard for a wrestler a few years ago. Penn was able to award more “need based” money and got the athlete! I know a number of other stories, too. The Ivy league schools are not immune from this problem.</p>
<p>Wow. Skimmed the beginning of the thread and noticed geeps20’s post on Nov. 8:</p>
<p>"^ I wouldn’t be surprised if Paterno himself called in to stop the investigation…I guess this scum is Godlike out there"</p>
<p>He/she called it!</p>
<p>Oh I know the showcases you speak of, no not referring to those. These are the ones sponsored by Under Armour and ESPN sports etc. Not the local club stuff.</p>
<p>[2012</a> Under Armour All-America Classic: Underclassmen Tournament Preview | InsideLacrosse.com](<a href=“http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2012/06/28/2012-under-armour-all-america-classic-underclassmen-tournament-preview]2012”>http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2012/06/28/2012-under-armour-all-america-classic-underclassmen-tournament-preview)</p>
<p>[US</a> Lacrosse National U-15 Championship | ESPN Wide World of Sports](<a href=“Error Page | ESPN Wide World of Sports”>Error Page | ESPN Wide World of Sports)</p>
<p><a href=“Unease in Lacrosse Amid Race for Earlier Commitments - The New York Times”>Unease in Lacrosse Amid Race for Earlier Commitments - The New York Times;
<p>“Seven sophomores playing in the game had already made verbal commitments to top college lacrosse programs around the country, before even putting on a varsity uniform or taking the SAT.”
“It’s really accelerated drastically,” said Jack Moran, the longtime Chaminade coach. “For the parents, if their kid is in 10th grade and they’ve heard that somebody has verbally committed and their kid hasn’t, they start to worry: ‘Is it too late? Did we miss the boat?’ </p>
<p>"My discussion with the college coaches is that they do it because everybody else does. It’s kind of like if Hopkins stops, then Virginia will stop, and if Virginia stops, then Maryland will stop, and then Duke will stop. But nobody stops.”</p>
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<p>I guess the choice “more honest” was poor. “More need based aid” is what won the kid over, however, he(assuming he because its wrestiing) still had to meet academic criteria, now if the IVY’s are also offering basket weaving 101 as a major, then they are just as bad. And they may be guilty as well. Nothing surprises me anymore.</p>
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<p>This is a naive and idealistic view of Division III sports. Yes, it might work this way a few places, but there are plenty of Division III athletes who were recruited for athletic merit, not academic merit, and for whom usual admissions standards were waived or bent to get them in the door at a powerful coach’s behest. And plenty of Division III schools keep their star athletes in school by placing them in basket weaving and/or in classes taught by professors who will reliably pass them with a gentleman’s C. Don’t kid yourself about the high moral scruples of Division III athletics. Division III athletes aren’t supposed to get athletic schollies, and the schools don’t have the resources to do the kind of scouting and recruiting that goes on at the Division I level. Apart from that, there’s no reason to think Division III schools are any purer of heart and motive in matters of admissions standards and academic coddling of recruited athletes. </p>
<p>In fact, Division III MacMurray College’s tennis program was one of only 5 athletic programs ever to receive the NCAA “death penalty” after its coach and his father procured $160,000 to award as grants to foreign players recruited to the team, in flagrant violation of NCAA rules prohibiting athletic scholarships at the Division III level. Division III SUNY Buffalo and SUNY Geneseo were slapped with one-year post-season playoff bans after both schools were caught steering special scholarships set aside for students from Canada almost exclusively to Canadian ice hockey recruits, again in flagrant violation of NCAA rules. According to the NCAA, 55 Division III schools–about 13% of the total–have violated NCAA rules barring athletic scholarships since the NCAA first began monitoring Division III financial aid practices.</p>
<p>Moreover, because NCAA minimum academic eligibility requirements don’t apply at the Division III level, many star athletes who didn’t meet minimum GPA, SAT/ACT, and core course passing requirements to compete at the Division I level end up at Division III schools, which are allowed to set their own admissions standards for recruited athletes.</p>
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I spent a lot of time looking at DIII schools in the Northeast … and this impression may not be correct but the schools seemed to be mostly at the two extremes academically … there are NESCAC schools and schools very similar at the top … and then they are a bunch of schools where the standards are pretty darn easy for admission … not many schools in the middle.</p>
<p>cal tech is only school I have witnessed hold priority to academics if an athlete has top talent.</p>
<p>Well, Indiana just announced today that one of its top basketball recruits will not be attending this coming fall due to failure to meet academic requirements. There are clean programs out there.</p>
<p>GQ released some excerpts from the Posnanski book on Paterno. Here’s one particular telling one …</p>
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On Thursday, Paterno met with his coaches at his house. He sobbed uncontrollably. This was his bad day. Later, one of his former captains, Brandon Short, stopped by the house. When Brandon asked, “How are you doing, Coach?” Paterno answered, “I’m okay,” but the last syllable was shaky, muffled by crying, and then he broke down and said, “I don’t know what I’m going to do with myself.” Nobody knew how to handle such emotion. Joe had always seemed invulnerable. On Thursday, though, he cried continually.
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“My name,” he told Jay, “I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it’s gone.”</p>
<p>Interesting. No word on tears shed for the victims, wouldn’t he have had to have had several moments when it hit him, “I should have thrown Sandusky to the dogs the second I heard ANYTHING ‘funny’ about him.”</p>
<p>But why he didn’t realize this in 1998 (well, about 1978 is probably more accurate) is the real tragedy here.</p>
<p>If you are Joe Paterno, the first time you hear snickering jokes about “Jer and his little boyfriends,” you can pass it off as a rumor.</p>
<p>After that, it falls to you to find out “WHAT is going on here?” And break out the flamethrower.</p>
<p>[A</a> Preview of Paterno, the New Joe Paterno Biography: Profiles: GQ](<a href=“http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201209/joe-paterno-scandal-joe-posnanski-book-preview]A”>http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201209/joe-paterno-scandal-joe-posnanski-book-preview)</p>
<p>Indiana recruit Was offered admissions, IF he could prove to admissions his eligibility in summer school. He did not pass summer school. Did you know Indiana had signed one too many players allowed for their scholarships?</p>
<p>author…that’s the part I’ll never understand. Break out the flamethrower could have saved Paterno’s career…and countless children. If you believe in “honor” how do you not break out the flamethrower, yell from the roof tops, etc? “So sorry to have been hoodwinked, blindsided, so terrible, etc etc”. As bad as it might have been, it would have been better than what has happened to PSU. And the children (although I’m not sure that would have been the prime consideration).</p>
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<p>Oh gee! Really? It’s not quite that simple. It had to do with a 5th year senior who not only has his IU degree, but also has his Master’s from IU and still has a year of eligibility. Looks like it’s going to work out, though, doesn’t it?</p>
<p>Author, great excepts. Paterno cried on losing his job, his reputation. Not one tear for the victims.</p>
<p>Am guessing this has already been posted, but … raise your hand if you plan to read the book Sandusky is writing while he’s in the Big House. [Jerry</a> Sandusky writing a book in prison with help from his wife Dottie, report says - Crimesider - CBS News](<a href=“http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57493827-504083/jerry-sandusky-writing-a-book-in-prison-with-help-from-his-wife-dottie-report-says/]Jerry”>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57493827-504083/jerry-sandusky-writing-a-book-in-prison-with-help-from-his-wife-dottie-report-says/)</p>
<p>Ewwww… <<<< scanning virtual cc-land for any raised hands>>>></p>
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<p>How do you know? Were you there with him at all times? I’m not defending him, nor do I want to - but really, how can you say what someone did or didn’t do? Or what they were thinking? Now, I’ve read articles that have said he did cry for the victims - and stated he wished he did more. Again - who knows. We weren’t there. So why speculate?</p>
<p>I believe Sandusky can’t profit in any way from his crimes. According to the article…</p>
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<p>I hope any profits will just be available for any civil judgements brought against him, although I can’t imagine who would want to read it.</p>
<p>I wonder who would publish the book?</p>
<p>^^ Someone who wants to make a ton of money. Profits shouldn’t go to pay civil judgments until all of Sandusky’s money is gone. Until then, it can go to child abuse victims.</p>
<p>blueiguana, is the prohibition only on Sandusky himself? Since Dottie is co-authoring, maybe they get the money that way? I’m sure they’re not doing this as a literary exercise. They’ve figured out some way to profit from it, classy folks that they are.</p>