<p>I went to a school with no football team. Do I get extra points?</p>
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<p>collegekidsmom-I like your style!</p>
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<p>umm. …with Paterno that was the point I was making. </p>
<p>Did you watch the Olympics? Many Americans did and the newspaper kept track of who won the most metals. There was much Pride associated with these winning metals. </p>
<p>PSU football money was used to fund programs that sent 19 or so of your countries best athletes to the games. So all Americans that felt pride in their accomplishments…some of which can directly thank PSU football for their ability to train…are complicit in the big business of college football.</p>
<p>So should all college sports traditions be cut? Would you be happy then? Nahhh.</p>
<p>There’s just this weird disconnect between the helmet sports and other sports. I had a tennis letter man, a golf letter man and a football/lacrosse double letter man…and really there is no difference in those kids except that the football/lacrosse kid loves team sports, loves big crowds, loves big colleges all that stuff. I don’t know where it comes from since H never played, we didn’t have it on the TV on Saturdays and I certainly am no football fan. My football playing son is the better student to boot. I try to step back and analyze what happened in Pennsylvania but I know in my heart I could never bad mouth the kids or the profs or really anyone that wasn’t associated with the criminals and I would want them to never forget but definitely move on. It sounds like that is happening bit by bit. I love that the coach said he put the names of the players on the uniforms to show people “who stayed.” I loved that for this year but told my H I hope the coach takes the names off next year because I like that even more. But people are very divided on their opinions when it comes to some sports.</p>
<p>Collegekidsmom, feel free to check out my posts and figure out the school I’m referring to.</p>
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<p>Pizzagirl-i don’t idolize any coach…never have. I have been to only 2 college football games since I graduated 25 years ago. That said, I went to every home football game when in college. Loved every minute of it. We barely ever won-and I didn’t care. It was about the fun of attending. It’s the same for my son. No idolizing, he isn’t there just for the win. He’s there to relax and unwind after a long week of working hard. You’re generalization of what you think about each and every Penn State fan is wrong. I don’t need to take a page out of your playbook because believe it or not, I think we’re playing from the same book.</p>
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<p>If the legend refers to Joe Paterno, that is not correct. He died and his legacy will be forever tarnished, at least outside of the PSU realm. For PSU fans, Paterno and the school were apparently … innocent victims in this sordid affair.</p>
<p>As far being happy, the removal of the victories was a small step in the right direction, just as the other NCAA slaps on the wrist. The negotiated penalties ensured that there would be football this weekend, and that is exactly what makes some of us to feel nothing will change at PSU. Simply stated, this program should NOT have escaped the death penalty any more than SMU did years ago. </p>
<p>The pageantry on display this weekend was simply a shameful reminder how the NCAA acted out of sel-preservation, just as Saint Joe did without hesitation.</p>
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<p>Nobody’s making you watch. Why don’t you just go away?</p>
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<p>It wasn’t the football team that hid all of this. It was the University. If anything “ceases to exist” it should be the university. Good luck with that.</p>
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<p>Why would I? </p>
<p>Nobody’s making you reading my comments, which happen to be relevant to this thread. It is your prerogative to ignore what I write, just as this is mine to repeat my thoughts as many times I care.</p>
<p>So because Penn State has fans that love and support their football team…they are a cult? Hmmm then there are a lot a cults around the country. Let the kids enjoy a football game.</p>
<p>Penn State is indeed a cult…for those of us who are outside of the happy valley fantasy , it is disturbing
The point made by those of us who don’t watch football , have children who are students there are consistantly attacked here on this thread
If you don’t agree , you can ignore the posts. Or you can make it personal and ask the poster to " go away "</p>
<p>Excuse me??? WHO is being attacked on this thread???</p>
<p>(Sorry - but that comment made me choke on my wine.)</p>
<p>I think there is a divide between current students and the alumni. The current students seem to be focusing on their college experience, raising awareness about child abuse, enjoying the current football program, going to class, participating in THON, etc. None of which is particularly interesting for the media to cover.</p>
<p>Some/many of the alumni seem to be focused on preserving what they believe was their college experience. JoePa, many wins on the football field, etc. Unfortunately this group makes many statements that the media is very ready to highlight. Some of them are now BoT members–which adds fuel to the fire.</p>
<p>Really, both view points are understandable. I don’t agree with the alumni, but it’s understandable. </p>
<p>I still don’t understand why Paterno was fired, and everyone else is on leave. That just seems odd to me. Perhaps it’s a contactual issue…</p>
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<p>Sigh. No, it’s because Penn State had a culture that excessively idolized and venerated the coach of said football team, to the point where he was deferred to on matters that were the president’s responsibility to handle because no one dare upset the coach’s apple cart. That’s why. How much clearer do we need to be?</p>
<p>Sigh. I think it is not a lack of clarity, it is the tendancy for some to label opinions as facts. What you and xiggi and others post “as many times as [you] want” is your opinion. It isn’t a fact. You present it as a fact, and are of course irritated when others treat it as an opinion and offer a different one. I think you know that, you just are enjoying the argument. </p>
<p>Really, enough is enough, everyone. If we were sitting in a room together, we’d be boring ourselves silly by now. Rhetorically speaking, the horse is dead, we’ve offended one another repeatedly, and nobody’s point of view has changed. Bless your hearts, we all have better things to do. Well, I have laundry. And papers to grade.</p>
<p>Well said greenbutton!</p>
<p>Bravo, greenbutton! </p>
<p>Think I’ll go pack. I do have a big trip next week. Tchau!</p>