<p>@ Grcxx3…you reinforce the point I was trying to make…when one poster tells another to " go away " or similar comments that are not lacking on this thread , I consider that a personal attack…as in, I don’t share or respect your opinion , so your input is not welcome
Oddly enough , most of these comments come from parents , not current students
I understand why you defend the school that your child attends
I might feel the same if one of my daughter’s schools was under the scope too , but I am also grateful that sports and other extra-curriculars do not define the schools they chose to attend
And the issue at hand will definitely be a consideration when it comes time or ou youngest to choose her school</p>
<p>Right on, greenbutton!</p>
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<p>Since you named me, I will respond. What is your basis for your OPINION that some of us confuse opinion with facts, and are trying to pass opinions for facts? And why should that tendancy [sic] you noted be a fact --as opposed to your opinion? </p>
<p>This is a forum where we exchange what we think. And, yes, what we think are … opinions! Is anything you just wrote any different from others?</p>
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<p>It’s because Paterno publicly told the Trustees that they didn’t need to worry about firing him because he was going to resign at the end of the season anyway. At that point, they had no choice.</p>
<p>Xiggi, that is correct. What I posted is my opinion. I would not expect everyone to concur. I did not represent my position as a fact. So occasionally, I agree with people who have an oppositional question or stance. This is me, agreeing with you. Despite our differences of opinion. If you met me in person, you’d think I was awesome :)</p>
<p>Why aren’t the PSU supporters, alumni, and parents of students who post to defend your students not aggravated, sickened and outraged at what JoePa did to you? Not what the NCAA did, or what posters here who would like to see the football program more severely altered did. It seems you represent a strong point of view that is frankly baffling. Who hurt you and hurt your great sports team? It was your own University President and a very old football coach covering up for a sex criminal. I suppose if we heard a sense of anger directed at the appropriate targets–the coach you all loved and respected and put on a pedestal, it would be easier to believe the university could see straight. But despite some posts that speak kindly about the children victims and decry molestation, where is your rightful anger at these men in charge of your football team for decades who hurt…Penn State?</p>
<p>Madbean, your post is aggravating, sickening and outragous. It also reflects the views of the media and other posters. You think the appropriate target is Joe Paterno? You are one very twisted and evil person. Yes, Paterno was guilty of failing to stop a child molester. Penn State needs to prevent that from happening ever again. Jerry Sandusky molested children. Remember him? Of course not. You don’t give one hoot about the molester or the victims. You are on a witch hunt and won’t stop until YOUR target is destroyed. My rightful anger is at people like you who are doing such a great job of taking the spotlight off of this crime against children, finding others who molest and help for the victims.</p>
<p>collegekidsmom, I and many others across the country are asking exactly the same questions madbean asked. Saturday evening I was in the Seattle airport and while waiting for my flight a small group formed talking about college football. It wasn’t long before someone voiced their disbelief at how Paterno, et al allowed (or failed to stop) Sandusky’s molestation of young boys.</p>
<p>Some twisted person like Sandusky could pop up anywhere, but what folks like me and madbean and others can’t comprehend is how 4 of the most powerful men at Penn State could have allowed this child molester to continue abusing little boys all for the sake of football. It is a question of morality or the lack of it. It is baffling that the Penn State community is angry at everyone but the 4 men who could have and should have prevented all of it.</p>
<p>Collegekidsmom, wow. Wow.</p>
<p>Agree with madbean. Agree with TutuTaxi. Does that make me “very twisted and evil”?</p>
<p>I mean this kindly: Maybe it’s time for you to step away from this thread for a while.</p>
<p>Tutu, We ARE angry at those 4 men. We are unbelievably angry at those 4 men. I’m ashamed that they didn’t take action while representing PSU. </p>
<p>“I suppose if we heard a sense of anger directed at the appropriate targets” Sorry to disappoint but that starts with Jerry Sandusky. I’m not excusing the actions of others. I’m remembering the person who should have been stopped.</p>
<p>Mudder’s_Mudder - Uh, and I mean this kindly, maybe it’s time for you to quit reading my posts.</p>
<p>I believe most (if not all) of the “Penn State crowd” on this forum has consistently and repeatedly said that they are disgusted, angry, frustrated and embarrassed by the actions of the Penn State leadership. These men (refuse to use the terms “adults” - and even “men” is iffy) failed the young victims and failed the whole Penn State community. This has been stated time and time again on this forum. But I guess some people haven’t paid attention.</p>
<p>The primary individual responsible for this mess is already in prison. Of the rest - one is dead, 2 are awaiting trial, and an indictment seems likely for the 4th. If found guilty (I’m not going to play judge and jury) - I hope they are punished to the fullest extent allowed. And I’d like to see the entire BoD dismissed.</p>
<p>I fully blame these individuals (starting with Sandusky) for this horrid tragedy, but I refuse to transfer the blame to the entire Penn State community. I will continue to support Penn State - the institution and all its constituents. And I will support the student-led efforts to try to make a difference (unlike some, I don’t question their motives). My son already has instructions to purchase several Blue Out tshirts - which will be sent to my overseas location for all the Penn State parents and alumni there (yes, there are several).</p>
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collegekidsmom, you say you are angry w/ Paterno, et al but your posts sound more like you are * annoyed * w/ them.</p>
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<p>LasMa Thanks, I forgot he told the BoT not to worry, he was leaving. </p>
<p>I suppose there are contractual issues in dismissing the others at this time.</p>
<p>Agree with madbean’s post, as well as with Tututaxi and Mudder’s Mudder.</p>
<p>collegekidsmom – did you really post that offensive rant or did one of your kids hijack your account? :)</p>
<p>Goingmyway, It was me who was angered by those who let Jerry Sandusky off the hook. I’m offended(yes, angry) at those who molest children. My kids are too. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. I see that I’m in the minority. Let’s get back to the important issues like stadium banners.</p>
<p>So long as Spanier, Curley, and Schultz are “hanging around” it’ll be difficult for Penn State to move ahead. Erickson is part of the old guard, and some of the Trustees are still resisting reform. What is needed is a new broom to sweep out all the rot. But where to start? Governor Corbett’s hands aren’t clean either.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl - me too.</p>
<p>Maybe more worrying is that Penn State is not the only school with this type of problem. They are just the one that has gotten the most press. And it’s not just football, either. In some schools it is Basketball, in others it is Lacrosse. The biggest problem is not the students - if anything most of them are victims, too. Their victimization might not rise to the level of the young men abused by Sandusky, but they are victims of administrators who value their reputation based on a sports team more than their reputation as an institution of higher education. They are victims of small percentage of both alumni and current students who are still enthralled by the history of the football program.</p>
<p>PSU football is a cult - that doesn’t mean that everybody who enjoys the football games is a member of that cult. It means that those who would protect it to the detriment of the rest of the university ARE. Sandusky victimized children, the other 4 men victimized the institution and its students. Place the anger where it belongs - on Sandusky, the 4 men who hid the crimes, and the cult members who still worship the program.</p>
<p>I don’t think many if any of the posters here are part of that cult, but they are hurt by because they think they are being included in that definition. Some might say if they think they are part of the group, they probably are - I think they are just too close to it. The problem is that the cult is a small but vocal part of the PSU community, and they are the voices that are heard by the rest of the country. We can tell the rest they need to drown them out, but that won’t happen.</p>
<p>Collegekidsmom - you do come across as being annoyed rather than angry. Perhaps that is just your writing style, or simply the way you come across. You are incensed ad Sandusky, but you seem just as angry at posters here as you are at Paterno and the others. Only Sandusky is responsible for what he did, but the others are responsible for what is happening now. Given that Sandusky did what he did, if the others had acted differently, nobody would be upset with PSU right now. The current students wouldn’t be attending a school where accreditation might be at risk - if anything that’s what you should be angry about. </p>
<p>A few years ago, we talked about big banks being “too big to fail.” Aren’t we in the same situation with PSU? If PSU were to lose accreditation, what happens to all those students? Their credits should transfer, but will they all be able to find an affordable option to finish their degrees. More than a football program, this is what these men placed at risk. I would be more than angry at them if my kid was at PSU right now.</p>
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<p>Who lets Sandusky off the hook? Nobody on either side of this debate gives a him a pass. But he has already been dealt with. He is already in jail for the rest of his life - where everyone agrees he belongs. </p>
<p>The remaining question is what about the others? How much blame do they deserve? Not for the molestation - that was solely Sandusky’s crime. But for the cover-up to protect the football program, a cover-up that went on for decades and aided and abetted the continued rape of children. That is a very serious matter.</p>
<p>I agree with Madbean. I don’t understand why Penn State people aren’t mad as hell at Paterno. Why blame the others and give him a pass? There is more than enough evidence to indicate that he was a key part of the cover-up. But some folks just can’t let go of the myth. And that’s why the debate just won’t go away.</p>
<p>Sandusky is in jail.</p>
<p>Paterno is dead.</p>
<p>By some wild legal maneuver, Sandusky could be released.</p>
<p>Paterno will remain dead.</p>