Penn State Sandusky scandal

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The DOE requires campus police at such federally funded institutions to report all activity. The actual fee for a penalty is low, but millions of dollars of scholarship assistance may be at risk.</p>

<p>Will the NCAA get involved? Sandusky apparently had an office on campus and ran camps there…</p>

<p>The Nixon analogy probably wasn’t the best, coolweather, as there is no way for someone of higher authority to fire them immediately, is there? (not referring to constitution amendment regarding being “unfit” to serve)</p>

<p>I do not think that Paterno is scum. Depending upon what he actually know, and whether he actively tried to cover it up, I could change my mind. I think he behaved like an ordinary person in a crisis. Many ordinary people do not live up to the ideals we say we value as a society. Intelligent, powerful people try to cover up misdeeds quite frequently. It happens in corporations, churches, politics, universities, the military (the handling of Pat Tilman’s death by friendly fire was disgraceful - see “Where Men Gain Honor: The Pat Tilman Story”). Joe Paterno seems like an ordinary person who chose expediency over honor. It happens on Wall Street, main street, everywhere.</p>

<p>We are right to be angry, appalled, and disappointed about the scandal at Penn St. However, some humility is in order. The Aesop’s fable to the effect that everyone wears two baskets, one in front and one in back, seems applicable. We put all of the faults of other people into the basket in front of us where we can see them clearly. All of our faults go in the one behind us, hidden from our view.</p>

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<p>I don’t see any difference at all. I don’t understand why anyone would.</p>

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<p>I call that Lord Jim moment.</p>

<p>jym - You brought up Nixon. I did not.</p>

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<p>I completely agree.</p>

<p>Garland: I can’t dispute that McQueary was clearly wrong not to intervene immediately. I just see him as having more of an excuse due to the exigency of the moment, rather than less. He may have literally not been able to believe what he saw in the moment. The more time to deliberate calmly, the better decision I expect. Few people are completely brave or complete cowards. McQueary did more than a lot of people by telling his father and Paterno. He did less than most of would expect of ourselves and our children. I just have difficulty with the extreme moral condemnation of someone who at least did something in the right direction, and who was clearly let down by his superiors who appear to have done nothing at all.</p>

<p>coolweather- you asked for some precedents. Several examples were given. I think we are parsing things into minutae for no reason.</p>

<p>“Several examples were given.” I have to re-read this whole thread but I am afraid I cannot. I got into this because I like to play the word game “president”.</p>

<p>Do you think Schultz and Curley knew Sandusky’s victims were from his Second Mile charity - probably from poor and working class families? Do you think that made a difference in how they handled McQueary’s report?</p>

<p>I strongly disagree with the notion that whether any of us would have acted differently is not germaine. By divorcing the discussion from how real people act in crisis, the emotions are fanned by contemplating failure against a standard of moral perfection - which most here on CC may have, but some of us do not. Hector’s nerve failed when he met Achilles outside the walls of Troy, and Hector was a great hero. </p>

<p>Again, I agree that McQueary should have done more. I don’t have a great deal of respect for him, but I do grant him some minimal respect for not taking the easiest way out, which would have been to walk away - which unfortunately many people would have done in similar circumstances.</p>

<p>coolweather:
[Chancellor</a> at U. of Illinois Quits in Admissions Scandal - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/education/21illinois.html]Chancellor”>Chancellor at U. of Illinois Quits in Admissions Scandal - The New York Times)
[The</a> New York Times > National > University President Resigns at Colorado Amid Turmoil](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/08/national/08colorado.html]The”>University President Resigns at Colorado Amid Turmoil - The New York Times)</p>

<p>These presidents resigned following scandals. Anyone recall the Ward Churchill discussions here on CC? Quite spirited.</p>

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<p>Wow. </p>

<p>You interrupt the act to prevent further physical damage to the child. </p>

<p>You interrupt the act to show the child that someone cares about him. That he matters.</p>

<p>You interrupt the act to show that it is wrong and needs to stop now.</p>

<p>You interrupt the act to let the child know that he has been wronged, that he is not to blame, that other authority figures do not believe this is what the man should be doing.</p>

<p>You interrupt the act to give comfort to the child, to wrap him up and take him to the hospital where his physical wounds can be taken care of.</p>

<p>You interrupt the act to preserve evidence for a rape kit.</p>

<p>I could go on and on…The fact that that the kid had already become a victim is irrelevant to whether or not you stop the act. To turn around and walk out of the room just made him a victim all over again.</p>

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That is an excellent point. Perhaps he really thought that Mr. Paterno would take the issue right to law enforcement. We can’t know what he was told at this point.</p>

<p>Bogney-
Your posts have been spot on. And you didn’t even have to use any word play or alliteration either to make them an enjoyable read :)</p>

<p>I think it’s strange the the concept of doing the right thing is pedestalized as “moral perfection.”</p>

<p>I also think the fanning the flames against McQueary based on a standard of moral perfection that few are actually capable of leads to zealotry and a lynch mob type mentally. He should not be receiving death threats. He is not the rapist and he did do something - just not nearly enough. The vitriol against him does not allow for human frailty in crisis. I have more disgust for Wall Street banker who deliberately enrich themselves while risking the economy, and take obscene bonuses for their work. Their conduct is calculated.</p>

<p>It seems McQueary could have gotten everyone off the hook by lying about what he saw. He wouldn’t be getting death threats and Paterno would still be coaching. The others are saying that he was vague about what he saw. All he had to say is that they are right.</p>

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<p>If you are the child, you have met his eyes, only to see the back of his head retreating from the room, you know that he absolutely did walk away. I can’t imagine living with that knowledge.</p>