PITT vs Penn State - Civil Engineering [international student]

Hi there! High school senior here. I’m an international student currently applying for colleges in the USA. My major of interest is Civil Engineering, and my plans include working in a good company to expand my network but have the freedom to later on have my own construction company or something like that (after doing a master’s)! So I would like to know which of the two universities (PSU / PITT) is better, taking the following into account:

  • High rates for engineering programs
  • After-college jobs rates
  • Good Reputation
  • Alums/co-op/network (important)
  • Academics: I love learning, and I like a bit of prestige lol; my GPA is 3.91, but im scared since some of my classes are in Spanish, and I really want to learn and understand everything (my school is bilingual, so most subjects are in English except for math, physics, calculus stuff like that that I feel are very important to dominate in English).
  • Student life (nightlife & daytime activities): I love making friends and partying, going to cool dinners, shopping, trying new restaurants, chilling, and having a safe place to be, like parks.
  • Location: security, proximation to cities or downtown
  • Amount of students
  • Campus: size and campus life

ANY feedback regarding these topics will help me so so so much. Thank you in advance !!

Does either have a significantly better reputation among employers in countries where you can easily work? Getting a work visa in the US can be quite difficult, so that should be a lower consideration. A student visa to the US may also be denied if they believe you are trying to stay longer than needed to attend school.

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So if you are international you shouldn’t expect to stay here.

Both are fine schools. But are different.

Pitt has proximation to the city because it’s in the city. Penn State is in a rural area but has a town around it.

Penn State is much larger - population and campus size - does that appeal or not appeal to you? Pitt is in the Oakland neighborhood of a large city.

In 2023, Penn State reports Civil Engineers started with a mean salary of $68,375 (30 respondents). Pitt shows 45 grads with a $67,076 mean and $70,000 median.

So the schools will be indistinguishable in much of what you are asking but the environmental factors are different.

Both very good schools. As you know, Pitt would have a city vibe- lots of ethnic restaurants. museums, parks(Schenley), Phipps Conservatory , etc. Logistically should be easier to get to than Penn State for an international student. . Both schools have D1 sports, good alumni networks. Is there a big cost differential? What other schools are you looking at?

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hi and thank you for your reply! forgot to mention im in the process of getting my residency idk if it changes anything but yes

thank you!! yes im applying to many other schools such as nyc Tandon, Tulane, Florida tech, they’re all over the place but I just wanted to apply to many different schools (reach, targets, safeties) in states I could possibly live in. those are my only two options in PA though and really dont know which one should I pick for my application. I dont really have a concern for the cost :slight_smile:

good question, thank you. I currently live in a third-world country, so if I come back after studying, I dont think either has a better rep as long as it’s from a school in the States. I also forgot to mention that I’m in the process of getting my residency. idk when it will happen, but it changes things in terms of job location, which is why I’m very open to every perspective.

Then I would go with Pitt if you prefer an urban location and Penn State if you prefer a more rural environment.

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Florida Tech is a nice small campus in a nice city but not urban.

Sounds like Pitt or Tandon which is Brooklyn would be best. Then Tulane. Of course one has to get in.

Oh but what would you major in at Tulane as they don’t have Civil. Just a minor in Water Resources.

Meaning…what? Do you currently reside in the U.S. with a pending permanent residency status of some sort. If you are here now, what visa are you cirrent’y here on.

Where do your parents live?

@MYOS1634

Just saw this. If you are currently living in another country, please explain how you are getting residency here…and what do you mean by “residency”?

So you haven’t applied yet to either Pitt or Penn State and you’re deciding which to apply to? Both schools have rolling admissions and by now, some of the more popular majors have already been filled. So if you haven’t applied yet, you may be out of luck at both schools.

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I’ve become the PSU forum champion after the previous one passed the baton to me, so I’ll speak more about that but it doesn’t mean it’s better.

First, are you a junior or senior?

Second: if you’re a senior and applying only now, it means the Honors College at either university is no longer accessible to you since applications closed a while back.
In fact, you may want to apply to both universities because Engineering may be “full” by the time they get to your application - Pitt is rolling so they’ve been accepting students since August and Penn State had a Nov 1 EA deadline and a priority deadline on Dec1.

Both universities are located in very different environments.
Pitt is located in a really cool neighborhood of a major US city, Pittsburgh. You have access to professional sports, concerts, museums… You can easily access internships if you stay all year round. The student body has about 20,000 undergrads and the campus is compact.

Penn State is much larger and has a huge campus, with an arboretum and a stadium at one end, and new buildings and a golf on the other. It’s directly in the middle of a college town with anything college students may want from brand stores to boutiques to restaurants and clubs. They have a very strong “brand” throughout the mid Atlantic (roughly, NYS, PA, MD, VA) and their career fairs are booked a year ahead of time at least because companies want to make sure they have PSU interns but these typically take place elsewhere, over the summer. They also have a big football team that has enthusiastic supporters, alumni return just to see the games, the Stadium has more than 100,000 seats and even more people tailgate outside (in my opinion this is a downside but many people seem to think it’s a really cool part of Penn State.)
In Pittsburgh Steelers are a bigger deal than the Panthers, ie., there professional sports>college sports.

Pitt’s selection process emphasizes test scores compared to Penn State, as long as they’re provided, in that grades and scores are considered more or less equally, however it is test optional so you don’t have to submit them; Pitt is known for favoring high test scores so if you have 1450+ it’s definitely a good move to submit.
Penn State looks at GPA×Rigor for 2/3 decision, 1/3 is everything else (scores, essay, ECs…). They want most of your classes to be Honors, AP, DE or IB (for the best chances, out of 24+ HSclasses, 15+ should be honors/AP - as long as your school offers them) and they mostly want As. So if you have solid grades in a rigorous curriculum you’re better off with PSU.
If your GPA is under 3.5 you will probably be admitted to a “branch campus”, which can be a smaller, relatively residential, comprehensive university (Behrend,Altoona, Harrisburg) or an even smaller, commuter campus (don’t accept it) for your first 2 years before you can automatically transition to the Main Campus, the one I described above, also called University Park.
They also like to see a proof of math competency if you’re applying to the Colleges of Engineering, Mineral Sciences, or ITS - can be an AP Precalculus score, a DE grade…
You can also apply “DUS” meaning “pivot to anything”: you çan tell your adviser what you want to major in, take the relevant classes, and if you do well declare the premajor and if you don’t do well the DUS adviser helps you figure out what else you can major in with the classes you took (you can also directly apply to the premajor and have a Premajor adviser - premajor means you’re in your 1st-2nd year, Major means 3rd-4th). You can apply for Fall/UP and Summer/UP.
If your application doesn’t meet the cut off for your major, you’ll be admitted to a branch campus but you can ask for “reconsideration” for another, less competitive major and your application is reconsidered for Fall and Summer start. In short you have 4 chances to get in. There’s an entire thread over on the PSU forum and since December it’s mostly about reconsideration :sweat_smile:

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Are you able to pay the costs to attend Pitt or Penn State? As an international student, it is unlikely that you will receive a lot of funding from these schools.

@MYOS1634 can discuss this about Penn State.

I guess the question is…can your family help fund a college education for you in the U.S.?

The student would be full pay at both. No merit scholarships to be expected at this point from either university.:pensive:

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