<p>D. will receive credit for Math 10550 for her AP Calc score, and may get credit for 10560 (she took the AP exam for BC calc; don’t know scores yet).</p>
<p>Her first year schedule will probably be math (10560 or the next one up, depending on her AP scores), Intro to Chemistry, the introductory class for engineering…would it be insane for her to take Spanish on top of that load? She’s worried she’s going to lose her Spanish and really wants to get back into it. </p>
<p>She’ll place out of Comp most likely. I understand you have to take a freshman seminar…so how to fit it all in? Can she skip math Freshman year given her AP Calculus credit?</p>
<p>For Engineering, I would suggest finishing the math as soon as possible, even better if she gets credit for MATH 10560, so she could start right up in MATH 20550. I haven’t taken a foreign language yet, but I’m not sure if that is what she wants to do, considering that Foreign Language is not a requirement for the school of engineering. I suggest taking one of the university requirements first semester as well, especially if she places out of FYC such as Philosophy or Theology, either of which can become a University Seminar. However, you aren’t making your semester exactly the first semester, and everything will be fine for second semester to get the university seminar and other requirements out of the way.</p>
<p>Just as a general word of advice, I would sign up for more than you think you may want and then see how things shake out. You have until after midterms to decide if you are going to keep a class and ND does not put W’s on your transcripts if you do drop a class, so that is a bonus. Just my $.02.</p>
<p>In the school of eng., according to what son has shown us–you might want to stay on track with the 17 hour load. It appears that if you do not keep up, you may find yourself behind in graduating on time. Unless, of course, summer school is an option. We had several upperclassmen tell us that taking lighter loads as a freshman could make things difficult and mean heavier loads later. Meet with the advisor, they should be able to pretty much map out the courseload and from what we were told, it is easier to transfer out of eng. instead of transferring into it. As far as more than 17 or so hours, I’m sure it can be done, but freshman year brings a lot of adjustments not to mention the possibility of trying to decide on definite major. Give careful thought to just how many hours are doable–talk to advisor, they are there to help in any way!</p>
<p>alright your daughter is in pretty much the exact same situation I was in 2 years ago. I got a 5 on the BC calc exam, but then elected, in hope to lighten my freshman courseload, take calc 2 again. BAD DECISION. Like someone said earlier, get math out of the way ASAP, because to be honest, the math dept. at Notre Dame is terrible (probably like that at most universities because there are very few American professors in math). The intro to engineering class is not very hard, nor time consuming, and chemistry is a pain in the butt for everyone (they end up curving it a TON in hopes to not make the class the reason all the engineers drop out of engineering). Seminar is hit or miss, I really liked my theo seminar, but I have heard of people not liking their classes. </p>
<p>Basically, first semester freshman year of engineering is not too horrible . They definitley don’t throw that much at you at once. I have heard the rate of people dropping out of engineeirng has dropped drastically in the last few years, probably because of lightening the freshman year courseload. </p>
<p>About the spanish class. If she AP’d out of another requirement (FYC, history, etc) there is definitley room in her schedule to take some spanish. Definitley sign up for it, then talk to an advisor in August and see what they say. Also, you can go to various departments in engineering’s website and check out the 4 year curriculum. For example, this is the 4 year schedule for Mechanical Engineering (my major). <a href=“http://ame.nd.edu/undergrad/Class%20of%202009+_ME_2.2.07.pdf[/url]”>http://ame.nd.edu/undergrad/Class%20of%202009+_ME_2.2.07.pdf</a> .</p>
<p>andrew1218–Son indicated to us after this year (fall semester in intro to eng) that the class started with approx. 400(?) and in the spring semester of the second part of intro to eng, class # had dropped to 200 or so. I think that seems like a lot of people transferring! In fact, I remember his calling home within a couple of weeks after the semester started last fall to tell us how many people he had talked to in that class that were already planning to leave engineering. Also, I do not think the load in engineering seems light! In fact, son found spring semester to be more difficult ( I suppose combining Chem, a Calc, Physics and the Intro class along with an Arts and letters course and the ever-time consuming(according to son) P.E. made this past semester a little more difficult. He told us that he talked to some upperclass eng. majors, and they agreed that spring semester of freshman year was the killer semester. They reassured him that soph year was not as difficult!</p>
<p>notre dame AL - I am not sure exactly what the numbers were with my freshman engineering class in terms of transfer rate, maybe I am wrong, but it did not seem that huge. Also, I guess it is just my opinion as well, I thought Sophomore year was a LOT more difficult than freshman year. In Mechanical Engineering at least, all of our professors told us that Spring Sophomore year is your most difficult semester.</p>
<p>ManUtd - I wouldn’t worry about math if you are not planning on going to engineering. From what I have heard the intro level calc classes for non engineering and science majors are not that hard at all. I am just saying in my Calc 3 and Linear Algebra/Diff EQ courses I have had horrible experiences with bad professors who do not speak English very well. These are the only 2 classes at ND where I have experienced this.</p>
<p>ManUtd200le
Son just finished freshman engineering and here is his advice.
Arts and Letters- requires two semesters of math- if you can use your AP credit for Calc 1 10250- it will leave you many options to fulfill you second math requirement, if you are interested you can take Calc 2 10260 or an easier math -class called INTRO TO LOGIC-. So his advice is to use the AP math credit.</p>
<p>Mombot
Son got credit for Calc 10550 he took 10560- fall semester and 20550 second semester. Son felt that Calc 2 was much harder than Calc 3, and suggests D test out of that. He got solid A’s (top scores in fact ) in both classes. He and a friend basically taught themselves Calc 2 because they felt the teacher was terrible. Hope this helps.</p>
<p>wait… what about prospective business majors? i took the BC Calc test and got a 4, but since this was last year, I kinda forgot a lot of things…</p>
<p>i want to go a bit further on in math (because i’m weird and i love it ) so should i take like the business calc course or move on to calc three my first semester?</p>
<p>On the other hand, Andrew, I came into my freshman year this year with 5 AB and 5 BC, so I tested out of 10550 and 10560. However, I figured that since math comes so easily to me and I was prepared so well in high school, I would retake <em>both</em> semesters, though at the lower level (10350 and 10360). This still fulfills the requirements for med-school and judging from the jump in workload form frosh to soph year (orgo…), I wanted to get a solid buffer for my GPA. Math is a 4 credit course and so has more weight on your overall GPA, getting As both semester really boosted my GPA…plus, and this is a personal choice and not advisable, but I only showed up to about 6 classes the whole year combined. Of course you’d have to be pretty confident going in, and I would agree that most professors are not very good (though Dyer, the dept. head, is excellent). Just another way of looking at things!</p>
<p>Thanks andrew! She got a 4 on AB calc and did independent study this year and took BC; she is not expecting to do horrible, but the curve is weird in BC because so many hypergeniuses take it. </p>
<p>She’s absolutely positively 100% committed to becoming fluent in Spanish, so not taking it is not an option–and she’s not committed to engineering, so she’s trying to structure first year so that she can opt out of engineering based on her experience in the intro class and contacts with faculty. It’s one of those deals where on paper she’s a perfect candidate for engineering, but being a girl and being surrounded by non-engineers all her life she’s got no context to know if she’d like it or not.</p>
) so should i take like the business calc course or move on to calc three my first semester?</p>