Please don't flame me. Explain why a sweet girl would get those gauge ear things?

<p>Well, the person with the two MA’s and the multiple tattoos isn’t interested in GUYS-she’s gay, so I guess she’s ok thenn! LOL. A “tramp stamp” is supposedly a tattoo on the lower back-not ALL tattoos everywhere. But it’s not like anything anyone says is going to change the mind of someone who thinks all tats mean low class and poor education.</p>

<p>Fender-my S is bald as a cue ball at under 30, no tats. I did have a Jewish friend ask me hesitantly why he had a shaved head…I reminded her that my dad had no hair at that age either…I think the young men who go bald so young just embrace it now-S has been shaving what little fuzz is left for several years now.</p>

<p>Bunsen-a GIFT is very different from a LOAN. If I am given a GIFT, it’s MINE, it should not come with strings attached, otherwise it’s a way for the giver to exert control over me. I’d rather get nothing. If I am GIVEN say, jewelry, I can wear it as I please. If I am GIVEN dishware, I can use it as I please. If the giver believes any money should only be spent as THEY so choose, then it is not a gift, it is manipulation.</p>

<p>And your sister’s story is why relatives should not lend to each other. If she had borrowed from a bank and was paying on-time and even early, she would have every right to spend the rest as she so chose. Parents can manipulate, as yours did. Good for your sister for paying up early and getting out from under them.</p>

<p>Did I say something about gifts? Huh… I do not think I posted in this thread since Monday.</p>

<p>I agree a gift is something one can do what one pleases, though, yes, there are gifts that come with some strings attached to them. Don’t want the strings, give back the gift or insult the giver. Some strings are very understandable. If Aunt Jen gives you $5K grad gift with the understanding it goes towards college, and finds out that you used the money to throw the party of the year and with free tats and piercings for everyone, I don’t think you’ll be getting that kind of gift from her again. I also think that it’s a tacky thing to do. You use some common sense. If you a monetary gift and get caught buying drugs the next week, yeah, you are spitting in the giver’s face. </p>

<p>The same thing when you borrow money. Not a good move to have a crab feast and gala sweet sixteen and buy a new car when you’ve just borrowed money from a relative crying poor. Not smart at all.</p>

<p>I give rather generously to the nieces, and my kids, but if any of them are using the money in ways that I don’t like them to do, they get something else. It’s my perogative as a gift giver, and I’ll tell them if they ask. THey can certainly do without, at least the ones who are not my kids can, as the amount are not that much, but yes, it can make a difference. </p>

<p>I also will not give away or throw out gifts, though it is my perogative to do so. I think it’s rude to that. I’ve made room in my house and life for gifts that would not be my choice to buy, and that i’ve not cared for or even disliked. Unless it is something against some core belief, I would not want to hurt the giver’s feelings. I 've had a numberless clock on my wall that was wedding gift that I never cared for and that I’ve cursed many a time, but it reminds me of someone dear and now gone. I’m glad I did not get rid of it and that the person saw it was displayed before he died. Yes, a small pleasure, but a sweet one and not the ugly part of gift giving at all in making the giver feel good. </p>

<p>So yes, when you give a gift, you give up your rights as to what is done with it. But you certainly can remember what was done with it and keep it in mind for future gifts. </p>

<p>My neighbor is dealing with some terribly hurt feelings with her children. Her mother left varying amounts to the grandchildren in the will, and basically because she did not approve of some life styles, really zinged some of them. Badly. When you want to flaunt something, and yes, there was the flaunting involved, you can end up paying. </p>

<p>All of this is common sense. There are outliers on each end of the spectrum. YOu should not be living your life for gifts and approval, but you have to also understand that there some consequences to some decisions and use discretion. We are not talking absolutes here. </p>

<p>But, yes, I do give gifts with some recognition to how prior gifts were used, and yes, it can make a difference to some people.</p>

<p>Ssea, I have several friends going grey already too! </p>

<p>It kind of makeover me wonder if these head tattoo folks figure they can always grow their hair out… Till they can’t anymore!! Lol</p>

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<p>You were probably addressing someone else… but since you raised the question, here is my opinion about gifts: once I part with the gift, it is not mine and I cannot dictate what can and cannot be done with the gift. However, I am free to choose my gift recipients judiciously based on my past experiences with their use of my gifted money and things. </p>

<p>There are other categories besides gifts and loans, btw. Money we give to our children to pay their tuition. It is not a gift (because by your definition it comes with strings attached), yet it is not a loan either, because I will never ask my kids to repay it. So what is parental support?</p>

<p>I do have a sister. :slight_smile: Eons ago we gave her money so she could start her own practice. Although we did not attach any strings to the money, we were confident that she would not spend it on a new car or a lavish vacation. She is now a successful business owner, and when she tried to repay us, we refused to take the money - her D was starting college and that sum paid a nice chunk of her tuition.</p>

<p>“Bunsen-a GIFT is very different from a LOAN. If I am given a GIFT, it’s MINE, it should not come with strings attached, otherwise it’s a way for the giver to exert control over me. I’d rather get nothing.”</p>

<p>My quote was (not bunsens), “When you start getting loans and monetary gifts (not one time gifts) from people because you supposedly need it, you’d better be careful about how you spend your money.” This wasn’t about a one time present, or jewelry, or dishware. This is about people giving you repeated amounts of money because you claim to need it. I don’t even consider that a “gift”, but more like charity. I would assume that if someone is repetitively asking for money because they are lacking in basic necessities, they have an obligation to spend it as such, as not in a frivolous manner. Or they should not be surprised to never receive it again.</p>

<p>As for my sister, she borrowed 40K to consolidate her debt, in order to pay it off quicker, at a lower interest rate. I don’t think my parents were manipulating her at all, they had valid expectations that the money saved would be used as they had claimed. I understand their irritation, and I understand my sister’s dislike of feeling that their purchases were disapproved of. Borrowing money sucks for both parties. For that reason, I don’t loan anymore, I give gifts. Luckily, people in my circle don’t really need it anymore.</p>

<p>Sorry Bunsen-I meant Busdriver! My deepest apologies!</p>

<p>I stand by the opinion that gifts are just that, and I feel for people who are given gifts with the expectation that they tow the line of the giver. I also find the idea of keeping every single gift ever given a bit odd, but whatever floats your boat.</p>

<p>I don’t mind loaning to people who are good for it… But I think you really need to know the person and their life style and how they are with money before you loan it.</p>

<p>A family member loaned me over a thousand when I bought my house… I wanted to put down a full twenty percent but was a little bit short. </p>

<p>I closed on my house and paid back the money less then two weeks later. </p>

<p>Another family member loaned a different family member a lesser amount of money for their closing and it’s been a year… They still don’t have it all back. </p>

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<p>“I stand by the opinion that gifts are just that, and I feel for people who are given gifts with the expectation that they tow the line of the giver.”</p>

<p>Do you consider giving money to someone who says they need it for a specific purpose, such as food, car repairs, or diapers, a gift? After you have given them the money for that purpose, do you feel that they should use it for that purpose, or that they can spend it on anything they choose, and not “tow the line of the giver”?</p>

<p>"HOWEVER, to derail yet again, IMO there are other important factors that make a good MD. Having the highest grades and the highest test scores might not translate into the ability to say, diagnose, or relate to the patient. "
-True or not, the fact remains, while in Med. School, they take Board test (few of them, devided into Steps). If you do not possess certain score from this tremendously difficult test the one that you cannot rely strictly on your “lecture” resources but buy huge stack (I wonder if it is over a foot tall, anyway very tall) of additional material and prepare for at least 6 weeks, studing for about 12 hours every day with few scheduled breaks, not very possibble scenario for the most of us, mere mortals), well, if you are below certain score after taking this 8 hours exam, the doors of certain selective specialties are closed for you, no matter what else you are bringing to this wonderful world of medicine. FORGET OTHER FACTORS, they are irrelevant!!</p>

<p>“Do you consider giving money to someone who says they need it for a specific purpose, such as food, car repairs, or diapers, a gift?”</p>

<p>Yes, I do. And I have. Many times. And since I did not go with these people to buy the food or diapers, or get their car repaired, I don’t really know if they spent MY money gift on these things or someone else’s or never got it done at all.</p>

<p>I have given grocery gift cards to people I didn’t know well but knew needed food. But I don’t know if they bought sugary cereal or healthy foods with them. I’ve given gift cards to Target or Babies R Us to needy people who needed diapers, but I don’t know if they bought the store brand or the most expensive. I don’t know if they spent money on formula or a new unnecessary piece of clothing for the kiddo. I don’t know if they shopped around for the cheapest car part or lowest cost repair place-I just gave out of my own heart.</p>

<p>At one time I had a life where there was a lot of extra money. My ex and I helped those in our families who needed it. We never put conditions on our gifts or chastised those who didn’t spend wisely. I have a lot less to give now, but I do what I can. I gave grocery cards to D’s school office to hand out to whatever families needed them this past holiday season. I don’t know who got them or what they bought. And I’ll do it again next year.</p>

<p>Well, sseamom, you are lucky that you have not had people in your life that have taken advantage of you. Of course you can’t follow around people whom you have given a gift card to, you just have to assume they used it as requested. I personally have had too many people take financial advantage of me, sometimes for decades. I am very glad that my husband said to knock it off, and nobody has requested anything from me for some time.</p>

<p>The worst case was a long time friend of mine, who managed to get me to pay for everything possible, since we were teenagers and part way through my forties. She would call me collect, even though it cost me ten times the price, so she didn’t have to pay for a long distance call. She was so good, I just got used to paying for everything, anything she asked for. There was always a story, a drama, an emergency with the kids and her awful husband. Yet she had rather expensive taste in restaurants, clothing, and jewelry. Funny how she managed to have such nice things, while always being in some sort of need. One of the last times I saw her, she was with a group of friends, and she cornered me alone and asked me to buy an expensive necklace that she liked, and send it to her…so her friends didn’t know. Of course, she’d pay me back. To which I said…Huh? Why don’t you just walk in there and buy it right now, how would anyone know? Of course, it was a con, and she’d never pay me back. She also excitedly showed me her new pair of ray ban sunglasses, that she’d talked someone into buying her. There really are people out there like that, that will keep taking as long as some sucker keeps giving.</p>

<p>Well, of COURSE I’ve been taken advantage of! People are only human! But if I have the ability to give, then I do, not expecting that my inner rules are going to be followed.</p>

<p>I once sold, at a loss, a car to a family member who needed one to get to work in a non-public transportation town. He wrecked it about a month later. That didn’t mean I never helped him again.</p>

<p>I have another relative who was always in need, because she’s not very bright, is married to someone not very bright, and they have a history of just not being able to dig themselves out when things out of their control go sideways. I routinely used to buy them food, or diapers, or clothes-because the alternative was to see them go hungry or cold, because that’s what you do when people are hungry and cold. I also have steered them to services that can help, because the more they can do for themselves, the better.</p>

<p>These people didn’t set out to screw me over, and they don’t as a rule expect everyone to keep them afloat. Things happen. </p>

<p>I’d prefer to be the one who helped and got taken advantage of than the one who did nothing while I COULD have helped. And I do it because when <em>I</em> was down, these same people dropped what they were doing and helped ME. Because they feel the same way.</p>

<p>Sseamom, thank you and please, no apologies needed! I have not had my cup of coffee yet when I saw your post addressed to me and was seriously puzzled whether I posted on anything on the topic or not. (I must have - in my dreams). I then figured out that you were talking to busdriver. :slight_smile: sometimes it is easy to confuse us because on some topics we sound very much alike. :)</p>

<p>Re: med school admissions. The admissions should not be based on the numerical scores alone (med schools get so many applications that selecting a small group of candidates that meet all of the criteria should not be a problem); the graduation, of course, must depend on passing all the required tests. That way will we get doctors who are caring, compassionate and smart, analytical at the same time.</p>

<p>" And I do it because when <em>I</em> was down, these same people dropped what they were doing and helped ME. Because they feel the same way"</p>

<p>Then I guess they do follow the same inner rules that you do. It is great to have friends and family that try to help each other out.</p>

<p>And bunsen, I wish we sounded alike when talking about exercise. I think you would be kicking my lazy butt, in that reguard.</p>

<p>Did it occur to somebody that A. Einstein was pretty crazy looking guy, primarily because of his hair. So, my guess that we should dismiss the Theory of Relativity because of the crazy hair of it’s creator.</p>

<p>Scientists are supposed to look like that. “Crazy” is a totally normal look for a scientist. However, if he had a rainbow-colored mohawk… that would have turned a few heads. :D</p>

<p>A parent with a “family tattoo”?</p>

<p>[Obama</a> threatens “family tattoo” if daughters get their own](<a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/obama-threatens-family-tattoo-daughters-own-163516084.html]Obama”>http://news.yahoo.com/obama-threatens-family-tattoo-daughters-own-163516084.html)</p>

<p>Just try to stick to non-political comments, please. :)</p>

<p>Lol, that’s funny, bb.</p>

<p>I am not so sure if A. Einstein would be hired coming to an interview for the position of scientist at any place in my home town, and I am not living in any fancy place, just normal Midwest town.</p>