plz tell me some flaws in his theory

<p>Me and my friend have nearly the same amout of academic power and extracurricular. 4.00, 200+ comm, soccer,band,nhs, 10 or so AP classes for highschool.</p>

<p>I am attending UT this fall and he is going to community college this fall.</p>

<p>My theory is that “its fresh start and its good way to make a great academic record and such and what not”</p>

<p>his theory is that " i’ll go to Community college, save money, get 4.00, transfer to UT for my major and FUll ride and i would have saved 2 years worth of college tuition and money, and only thing i probably miss out is some ‘college experience’ , which won’t be a big deal"</p>

<p>Now…i know you guys heard alot about how its better to attend community college and save money and swoosh~ transfer to Good school and have the same status as some ppl who been attending the school. Now, in all perspectives, if he theory goes in the way he plans, it seems like i am doing it “the hard way” and not necessarily the “better way.” So my question is…</p>

<li>is it that easy to transfer from cc to university if you have 4.00 and have good extracurricular and such like his theory?</li>
<li>I heard transfering scholarships are hard to get, so is he just simplifying it way to loosely or is he right when he thinks he gonna get scholarship becuz he’s gonna have good stats.</li>
<li>how am i at a advantage/disadvantage compare to my friend?</li>
<li>Why he’s theory is flawed or perfect</li>
<li>he even says that college tend to favor cc students over high school graduates, is it true?</li>
<li>what else does he lose except “college experiences”</li>
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<p>please be free to express any correlation to my dillema, even its even slightly involved.</p>

<p>thank you for your time.</p>

<p>sincerely,</p>

<p>Project.</p>

<p>Both approaches are perfectly valid. Each for different individuals. In some states, the path from cc to a top quality state flagship is quite predictable due to articulation and feeder agreements. In others, it’s not so predictable.</p>

<p>The Texas folks can chime in here with specifics on financial aid for cc-to-UT transfers. For students transferring without special in-state feeder arrangments, it is true that merit aid is drastically less available for transfers.</p>

<p>If you like your plan, don’t look back. If you think his plan might be superior, consider it. But realize that neither is superior to the other, just different. You are each following plans with their own pros and cons. Perhaps you could change places and each be equally happy in the other’s shoes. Perhaps not.</p>

<p>It depends on what one means by “the college experience.” My S, who lives only 15 minutes from home, is right now reviewing for a test with a friend. Last weekend was spent with a group of chums in an extra-curricular activity. Then my S went off to a study group. He manages to eat his meals with his roommates or friends from classes. Oh, and there are sections that meet in the early evening. And there are weekly “tables” for people interested in practicing their languages or talking math; there is plenty of free or nearly free entertainment. So from both an academic and social point of view, he is better off living on campus.<br>
How much is this worth may depend on the cost differential between UT and a cc, the commuting distance to the cc and how much one values the academic and extra-curricular resources available to those who live on campus.</p>

<p>I’d say that he’s missing out on a lot by skipping the first two years. That’s my personal opinion, and I know that in many cases, going to a community college is necessitated by other, much more serious concerns. Is the “college experience” of parties, EC’s, being away from home, big time sports, greek life, dorm pranks, etc (at least that’s my definition) worth the difference in tuition? For me, it was, for others it won’t be. That’s going to be a highly individualized consideration.</p>

<p>Well, I see a few…not issues, exactly, but possible negatives in his plan. Before I detail these, let me assure you that his plan could definitely work out for him, and I certainly hope that it does, but it is certainly not flawless. Here are the concerns I would have:

  1. Is it <em>easy</em> to transfer? That depends on the state. I know that it is in some states, but I haven’t heard anything about Texas in this case. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t easy to transfer for Texas–I just don’t know. </p>

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<li><p>I think he is being overly confident in his ability to get a full ride period, regardless of his standing as a transfer student. I checked UT-Austin’s website, but it was hard to navigate, so admittedly I didn’t glean much info about the scholarships that they offer. Mainly, they seem to offer a scholarship in each college (architecture, business, communication, etc.). These didn’t seem to be huge scholarships–$5000 seemed to be the largest sum that I found. There <em>are</em> a lot of scholarships, but one student couldn’t apply for very many of them. Using my own state school (University of Illinois) as a benchmark, I can say pretty confidently that even for very accomplished students, big scholarship $ is hard to come by. The most I have heard anyone get is about $5000/yr, which is a little more than 1/4 the yearly bill at U of I. Now, again, UT could be different, but…I personally have not heard of them as a hugely generous school that way. </p></li>
<li><p>How are you at an advantage/disadvantage…well, you will be shelling out more money for your first two years, which some would call a waste, since you will likely be taking GenEd type courses for much of this time. On the other hand, these courses may be more rigorous than Community College courses, and might prepare you better and get you used to UT’s standards. You will also have the opportunity to form relationships and carve out a niche for yourself at UT–your friend might find the transition into UT as a Junior tough.</p></li>
<li><p>His theory is flawed in two fundemental ways, in my opinion. One, which I already outlined, is that he seems to be overconfident in his ability to receive big scholarship $. The other is that he is very sure of his ability to really ace his Community College coursework. I am sure that it seems like a sure thing to him, being that he has done excellently on his HS coursework. However, the eventual graduation rates for Community Colleges are not great. He may find it difficult to be as motivated in a place where people will often come and go and may not be as prepared/serious about their education as the average student at a relatively prestigious college like UT. Basically, I think that he is a bit too cavalier–I’m not saying that he definitely will strike out in CC, but it seems like he is not being as careful as he probably should be. </p></li>
<li><p>I doubt this. I would think that colleges favor CC students who have excelled over un or underprepared HS seniors, but not to be cruel about it, I doubt that they are swooning over CC applicants in general. Again, a CC student who has excelled and shown that they can handle themselves academically and extracurricularly will set themselves up well to transfer, but I find it a bit naive to think that this is an open-door way into UT, unless they have an automatic admissions policy for qualifying CC students. </p></li>
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<p>I certainly believe that your friend’s plan <em>could</em> work out. But it is not a plan without risk, and if you can handle the financial and academic aspects of a full year college, I would recommend going that route. Also, it seems to me that he is undervaluing the college experience. Maybe not! Maybe he really will be fine going to CC while many of his friends start a whole new experience at their four-year colleges. But this is by no means a situation that would work out for everyone, and it might not be as easy for him as he thinks when fall rolls around.</p>

<p>Something you might be missing–his plan might be the best for him, right now, if his family cannot at present afford to send him to a university away from home or even pay tuition at a four year school near home. In this scenario, his plan is a very good one.</p>

<p>UT does not offer full rides for transfers. It is hard enough to get them as a freshman - impossible as a transfer. He will be saving a decent amount of money by going the CC route, and it is actually quite easy to transfer into UT from a CC (especially if he’s a 4.0 HS student). As a CC student of two years living in Texas and applying to UT among others, I wouldn’t recommend this route for two years. UT is cheap enough - if he really needs to go to CC first for financial reasons, that’s one thing, but the difference is not large enough and I think he should enjoy the college experience.</p>

<p>having gone the cc route and then university myself, I would say the greatest loss is you never really join into the university. It’s like getting to the party late, you miss out on some social aspects. You make friends, but it’s a slower than coming is as a freshman. </p>

<p>I think when we looked at scholarships they ran about 1 to 50 for transfers compared to Freshmen, so he may be dreaming there. </p>

<p>In WA, the state universities are required to take a certain percentage of CC transfers. However, that may fall by the wayside. </p>

<p>Saving money is never a bad idea, just a different way to do things. One choice is not better than the other, it’s just what works for somebody. </p>

<p>The only flaw I see in his logic is the transfer scholarship idea. But if he saves his money from the first two years, he may not have to worry too much.</p>