<p>so, DPX, is it a chapel or a christian church? and what is wrong with it now? </p>
<p>guess not having a Cross means that it is not Christian enough for those that claim to support religious diversity and respect…if you want to make it a Christian Chapel, than just say so, not this fake tripe about religious freedom…just freedom for Christians I guess</p>
<p>talking out of both sides of the face</p>
<p>A church is not a chapel.</p>
<p>“If I have a guest who is a vegetarian I wouldnt BBQ a pig for dinner.”</p>
<p>Would you expect a vegetarian to BBQ a pig for you if you were a guest at their house?</p>
<p>Well I suppose it’s to be expected that some of the more militant amongst us would draw an analogy between traditional religious artifacts, say a cross–crescent-moon–Star of David, and the cancer causing blight on society that is cigarette smoking. A totem to be sure.</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge we have not yet proved that religious people or their houses of worship cause cancer.</p>
<p>It would be my guess, however, that it was just such people who had the genius to remove a religious artifact from a chapel that the religious community took no offense in even if the secular community, always looking out for the better interest of people of faith, did.</p>
<p>Did you ever think that people of a different faith might not feel comfy in their college chapel, staring at a cross?</p>
<p>calling it an “artifact” is a bit of a stretch ,don’t you think</p>
<p>DPX, you defense is quite interesting…this is a CHAPEL…not a CHRISTIAN BUILDING< but since you want it to be a Christian Church, at least admit it</p>
<p>A religious artifact…please it was a big brass Cross from the 40s</p>
<p>no DPX would never imagine anyone else discomfort, so long as Christians have their cross</p>
<p>Imagine the hypocracy- we are a place that values all religions, practices, creeds,</p>
<p>"see we have this wonderful Chapel- for all students to use regardless of faith, however…</p>
<p>Oh, the Cross, well, yes we do have to heed to the Christians so yeah, it is Christian place of Worship, cause that is what the cross does indeed sympolize in a Chapel, but we really don’t mean it, so ignore the symbolizm, it is meaningless UNLESS it means something, which it doesn’t but if we remove it than all heck breaks lose, so it does mean something"</p>
<p>No to some, others discomfort is less important than their own sympols and “needs” and having a Cross in a chapel is not a “need” is in an arrogant display showing that their religion in a chapel is more valued than all others</p>
<p>DPX- it is not secular to be respectful of others. It is at the core of Jesus’ teachings. Since you confess not to be a Christian I would nt expect you to understand this.</p>
<p>Standrews& gwen demarco- Yes, in fact it has happened on several occasions.</p>
<p>Again, too much selfish whining and not enough understanding of others perspective. And it is the religious community at W&M that is applauding this decision. (see Nichols address to the College 12/20/06)</p>
<p>Get over yourselves. The world is changing and Leave to Beaver is not what this country looks like anymore. And I, for one, am very thankful.</p>
<p>No, it’s not a bull’s eye, Gwen D. and standrews</p>
<p>if dr. b eats vegetables, the vegetarian could please them both
if dr. b is a carnivore (as in only eats meat) then the veg host would have to serve some type of meat
vegetarians don’t refuse steaks to lions</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with trying to be thoughtful, as Kluge eloquently states it.
Are you afraid that people will forget to be Christians if they don’t have reminders?</p>
<p>Should W&M cater to the lowest common denominator? Isn’t that what trying to refrain from offending anyone amounts to? Can W&M remain a great university in pursuing such course?</p>
<p>I could, perhaps, better feel the force of your argument, CGM, if I was a Christian defending the faith, but I am speaking as one of those people whose house of worship does not come adorned with a cross. </p>
<p>I know many religious non-Christians who feel exactly as I do–in fact, all of them. </p>
<p>Let’s not confuse the issue here: This axe is being wielded by secularist, not the diverse faith community.</p>
<p>Better still, besides mini, who as I recall is an agnostic, everyone opposed to a chapel having a Christian artifact in this thread takes a dim view of organized religion generally and does not practice a religion that would benefit from using any chapel, cross or not.</p>
<p>A very curious interest in chapels, to be sure.</p>
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<p>ummm. I thought there was really only one House, and we are called to love one another, not work up over symbols.</p>
<p>how’s about reading about these teens, sending a few bucks, and being glad we are in a warm cosy place worrying about a cross being part-time or full time in a non-denominational chapel. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.covenanthouse.org/[/url]”>http://www.covenanthouse.org/</a></p>
<p>THen call the place what is it a CHRISTIAN Chapel, to do otherwise is denying the intent of the cross</p>
<p>DPX- As a practicing Southern Baptist who teaches Sunday School, I have again proven another of your ASSumptions wrong.</p>
<p>Dotty, you haven’t been here long enough 
to know who goes to church, chapel or otherwise. You are a brand new poster, after all, and it takes time to learn the ins and outs of the CC posters. again!</p>
<p>“everyone opposed to a chapel having a Christian artifact in this thread takes a dim view of organized religion generally and does not practice a religion that would benefit from using any chapel, cross or not.”</p>
<p>My mother is about as fervent a Catholic as you’ll ever meet-daily prayer, church going, big cross wearing Church Lady. She’s whip that cross out of there so fast you’d be blinded…so that everyone could worship.
People mix with the reminder tools, or clothing that is traditional, with religion, but it is the actions of the person that are the true practice of religion.
dpx - I have to assume you do not practice religion since you seem so fond of insults for those that don’t agree with you.</p>
<p>“Should W&M cater to the lowest common denominator?”</p>
<p>Funny. I would have thought that universal respect of all religious persuasions is the HIGHEST common denominator. </p>
<p>“Better still, besides mini, who as I recall is an agnostic.”</p>
<p>No agnostic here. Sorry. Quaker. And a very practicing one.</p>
<p>wow a southern baptist basically calling someone an A** on a college discussion website, nice…</p>
<p>interesting lurking on this thread</p>
<p>Oh, and you know, maybe back in the day of Beaver Cleaver, people were nicer to each other.</p>
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<p>Sir,
In fact I do practice. </p>
<p>And should I gather that you are also religious, while we are on the subject? If so I would prefer to hear your own view in your own words, even if I respect your opinion of your mother’s view. </p>
<p>I am much like her. I would remove the rafter in my own eye first; I would not, however, expect those who believe as I do to do so. Mine, as your mother’s, would be a decision of conscience, not a legalism to be enforced on everyone in the community.</p>
<p>I have no problem with whatever you are, or what you believe or do not believe, just as I have no problem with a church having a cross in it or a mosque having a prayer rug or a synagogue having a Torah. Other’s, it seems, do. Not practicing themselves they know what is best for those who do. </p>
<p>But as I say, these kind do-gooders do not themselves seem to require such a chapel, with or without a cross or any other religious artifact in it.</p>
<p>They do not practice religion. Neither do they worship communally.
It’s that simple.</p>
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<p>Ya know, I even made a point of reitirating my mainstream Christian participation and belief just to avoid that kind of sweeping comment.</p>