<p>DPX -are you on drugs? Your posts are so illogical that it boggles the mind.
Then again, maybe your are off your meds. Either way, come back from Candyland and live in the real world. If it were just"secular do gooders" then why are the religious leaders on campus not leading this charge against the policy?</p>
<p>Dottie:
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<p>And your point is…???</p>
<p>Sorry garland, my oversight. Mea culpa.</p>
<p>Dear Doctor,
you speak a great deal of meds…makes sense, I guess, being a doctor: As they say, when you are a hammer everything seems like a nail, or in your case, patient.</p>
<p>Doc, fwiw, I have known some very nice Baptists in two countries, and I refuse to let you change my mind on the matter.</p>
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Thanks for mentioning it.</p>
<p>Sorry for the edit.</p>
<p>Anyway dot girl, congrats on creating a thread about nothing. It’s sort of like a Seinfeld episode. Quite amusing.</p>
<p>…no, thank you for volunteering your time to be an important part of it. </p>
<p>It was like a casting call, and there you were right on time to play even this type-cast part.</p>
<p>An ensemble, really.</p>
<p>I know many religious people that do not “need” a christian chapel in order to pray…for them, a nice, neutral, welcoming place for all in a strange place, is better than to find a place that by its visual design and accesories seems to exclude others- if they want a CHURCH, they will find one…but a CHAPEL is supposed to be, in this place anyway, a quiet, calming, welcoming, communial, open place of contemplation, in whatever form that takes</p>
<p>If that is not good enough for some, how pathetic is that…that a warm place that is all inclusive is somehow not good enough for a certain group of people who NEED to put in their own symbol - which indeed does create the feeling of the envirnoment being of one faith, no matter how much some people here want to deny it</p>
<p>If a certain religious group has to put their mark on something, it shows they want ownership of the space and do not have any compassion of hurt feelings of others, how CHRISTIAN of them</p>
<p>Dot: Hmmm. You seem to know me so well. And, you are so familiar…I just can’t quite place you. :)</p>
<p>I hope you are of a more generous spirit when attending an art museum.</p>
<p>I’d hate to see all the offending crosses removed. It would seem so empty and artless and, well, sanitized.</p>
<p>In fact, I see this puritanical move as in keeping with the spirit of the puritan forerunners of such a sanitizing secular class…they hated the religious symbols as well. ‘What comes around goes around,’ as they say; I would add, ‘with a twist.’</p>
<p>if you don’t know the difference between a religious item displayed in a church and its meaning and one displayed in a museum, that is really a narrow view of the world</p>
<p>I can see the difference, too bad you can’t</p>
<p>DPX- I am a very nice Baptist. I just dont tolerate foolishness the way I way I used to.</p>
<p>Question? When you turn out the light, does ignorance glow in the dark?</p>
<p>[Note to self]
New talking point: sanitize.</p>
<p>In fact, there is a long and sorted history of just such sanitizing: ever seen the face of the Sphinx?</p>
<p>No you have not. Why?
As the chapel, it was sanitized so as not to offend. Out of sight out of mind.</p>
<p>A long and sorted history. Sanitized.</p>
<p>Doc…</p>
<p>don’t quit your day job.</p>
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<p>Words to live by on CC</p>
<p>Guess I’m still not clear on the church/chapel difference.
If this was a Presbyterian, Catholic, Methodist, (etc) CHURCH, then yes, I think it would be the wrong thing to do.
But if a chapel is a building for students of all religions, then what are they getting so angry about?</p>
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<p>[pedantic]
Not all churches are Christian.
Not all Christian houses of worship are churches.
Not all chapels are non-demoninational.
Not all chapels are inter-faith.
Some chapels are Christian.
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<p>as a W&M student who is not religious, the main problem that I have with this is that Nichol decided to do this without really consulting anyone. It just kind of happened. I agree that when things like PBK inductions are done in the Chapel, the cross should not be there. However, it is a chapel, and has been home to a cross for quite awhile, though not a long time in the complete history of the building. If you wanted to use the Chapel without the cross, all you had to do was ask, and it would be removed. Now, if you want the cross, you have to ask, and it will be there.</p>
<p>I just wish he tried to find out what other people thought before he made the decision. I have been fairly impressed with Nichol since he took over, but I think he acted too quickly on this one.</p>
<p>And I think he should keep fighting for our feathers.</p>
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<p>Not true, DPX. As I mentioned earlier, I am a Jew. I take my religion seriously. And I don’t like having a cross in an alleged “non-denominational” place of worship.</p>
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<p>Really. I looked it up in <a href=“http://www.dictionary.com%5B/url%5D”>www.dictionary.com</a> before I posted it. 'Cause I wanted to be sure that what I thought was true is true. And it is.</p>
<p>A couple of items of interest (at least to me :)):</p>
<p>In the Colonial era, the Chancellor of William and Mary was the Archbishop of Canterbury, the head of the Anglican Church.</p>
<p>My H is a career officer in the armed forces. We have moved a lot over his time in service. Chapels on all but one of our bases/posts are non-denominational. For the most part this means that the chapels have a “reversible” cross/crucifix for the various Christian denominations. There is also a curtain that can be drawn across the back part of the altar so that other denominations can worship without seeing the Christian faith symbol.</p>
<p>AFAIK, the only military installation that has specific denomination chapels is the United States Military Academy at West Point. The Cadet Chapel is Protestant, the Chapel of the Most Holy Trinity is Roman Catholic, the Jewish Chapel (yes, that is its name) is self-explanatory. There are 2 more chapels at USMA that are non-den.</p>
<p>An observation: The same people who are complaining that the “secularists” wanted the cross removed would be complaining just as loudly if the Jews or Muslims wanted it removed. </p>
<p>I am grateful to the former group for taking the heat this time. ;)</p>