Political science/pre-law focus. 3.95 UW, 1540 SAT [CA resident, 4.23 weighted capped GPA for UC, NMSF]

Both are reasonable - not assured.

At CMC, 75% are in the top 10% (of course not everyone is ranked) - so that’s a “lesser” part of the app i suppose. The SAT is good - and most apply TO so even better. Still, less than a quarter are accepted. My concern here might be - you want breadth - is there enough. I’d say so -but you’d want to make sure.

Emory is also less than a quarter. Don’t forget, some of those folks are athletes hooked. Your score helps here too. 80% are in the top 10% - so again, this could be the downfall.

WIth Emory, you get access to Oxford too - so two for one - if you’re ok at a small liberal arts school 40 miles outside for two years.

But if you like the Claremont schools, why not Pitzer instead of Emory - which would be more likely. Pitzer is need aware - which is another help.

I guess I don’t understand the UCs, SDSU, and LB State. These are massive schools. You clearly don’t want massive - if you did, you’d be interested in the NM schools. So to me, schools like W&M, Richmond, College of Charleston, maybe some Jesuits, Denver, Ivies, Syracuse, Lehigh, Rochester, Brandeis would make more sense.

As for T14 law school, I don’t think the data says one offs are going from non-pedigree schools - because most don’t show to that level. It’s an assumption.

We know Harvard has 146 schools in its first year class of 560 - schools like ASU, Auburn, Michigan State, Louisville, Ole Miss, and more - because truth is, at most colleges, students like yours are there - not a dime a dozen but everywhere.

Penn 251 from 119 institutions and over 200 in the entire law school. Again like U of Colorado Colorado Springs, U Cincinnati, Montana, UNC Wilmington.

UVA publishes where from - also over 100 schools including 5 from Arkansas this year, 6 and 4 from George Mason and Oklahoma last year, and in the prior years multiples from U of So Carolina, Alabama (7 in 2023), Indiana and ASU, etc. you know which Ivy had more enrollees than Arkansas this year ? Penn. that’s it. Arkansas has more than Emory, Duke, Rice, Chicago etc. , Oklahoma last year? Cornell the only Ivy and they tied with Michigan.

Everyone assumes top schools are getting more in - or as the other poster said - onesies - that’s an assumption without data as the schools don’t provide (UVA does). but guess what - they’re not. We don’t know admit rates by school attended etc but the marketing and perceptions are one thing but the data shows another.

Yes, top SAT takers are also top LSAT takers - so you’ll get kids from top schools - but you get that equivalent kid from the non-top who likely could have gone to a top school initially had they wanted to or could afford to.

That becomes the financial question - is it worth $400K to you (or close) to get that “perceived” pedigree? It’s a personal call to each family - but these “brands” are good at marketing to the consumer (the parent and student) - but I’m not sure the data (if you look at career data) necessarily proves this true in the world of employment - but it depends on what you seek. It certainly wasn’t true for my two who chose safeties - and are performing to the level (I believe) had they gone to the reaches they attended. The Alabama kid works with kids from UW, Mich, Purdue ( who he declined) and the Charleston kid is in a two year work program with Ivies, top publics and yes some regular kids - just like her internship for the state and top DC Think Tank. It seems you do buy into the common perceptions OP (I did too b4 my son told me I was wrong and it appears I was) and it certainly is your right to do so as well. We all have to follow that path that is best for us.

Best of luck to you - in whatever your student decides (I hope they’re a part of this process).

I would not use an ED unless the school were a clear favorite. The boost often is not as great as it looks because those students often have other strong hooks, athletic recruit and legacy/donor being the top 2. A good strategy for a kid with your kid’s stats is to apply REA to one of HYPS. The results will give you good intelligence on where your kid’s application stands. He should also apply EA/rolling to the publics he puts on his list. The goal is to secure at least 1 admit before Jan 1 so he can cut down on his RD apps.

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Please be aware of timelines/deadlines for the Emory Scholars Program scholarships:

Even though OP has no cost restraints, being an Emory Scholar looks great on one’s resume, has many added benefits beyond the financial merit aid aspect, and the saved funds can come in handy for law school.

Need to apply to Emory by November 1 or by November 15 as noted in the Emory Scholars page referenced above.

FWIW If attending Emory and the student gets Georgia residency, then U Georgia School of Law becomes an attractive option financially as it is frequently named the best value law school in the nation.

P.S. Emory at Oxford is not recommended in your situation. When filling out Emory app, an option is offered to apply for both Emory in Atlanta (Decatur) and Emory at Oxford (tiny school in a small rural town). Recommend that you just apply for the main campus.

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One concern I have - you are picking schools by perceived equity. Have they been to any ? How do you know if your students likes large or small, hot or cold, urban or rural.

ED is not for gaming and one doesn’t need to ED. People say - they fill half the class ED. It’s true at some. But they are still admitting many RD. It’s just ED has a 99% yield. RD might be a 15 or 20% yield. So lots more getting in then attending.

The other thing ED does is take away financial flexibility.

Let’s say you get in CMC. Full pay. You also get into Rochester or Brandeis at $30k less.

You lose the chance to consider those - even though many would argue their brands are better known.

Your student likely has many opportunities ahead at great schools.

Nothing wrong with EDing a favorite. But for gaming - it’s a huge risk. You will be somewhere four years day after day. It’s more important to find the right fit. You don’t want to be bound, go to orientation and wonder - why did I ever apply here ? It’s not me.

So if there’s not a true known first choice, I would never ED.

And if you haven’t yet toured schools, I’d do that b4 building a list.

It doesn’t seem the student is involved - and they should be leading the search - with your guidance and input of course.

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This is a new one for me. What is perceived equity?

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Brand equity as they perceive it.

“our thinking around why we are interested in well regarded schools”

That’s always subjective. There’s “officially” no such thing but they used Purdue up front as an example where they perceive a strong brand equity.

That’s how I’m using it.

In their student’s case, I perceive IU as a much stronger brand.

It’s all subjective …we all perceive brand strength differently.

“Companies can build their brand equity by making their products memorable, easily recognizable, and superior in quality and reliability. Mass marketing campaigns also help to create and strengthen brand equity.

When a company has positive brand equity, customers willingly pay a high price for its products, even though they could get the same thing from a competitor for less. Customers, in effect, pay a price premium to do business with a firm they know and admire.”

OP is a CA resident, no? That’s why the UCs stay on the list. IMO, there is a huge difference between applying in-state to CA schools vs. picking a National Merit school. It’s not just about money, and size is not a black and white criteria people use to pick schools. Every year, I see CA kids who think they want to go out of state end up picking the best UC they get into. Because it’s closer to home, because they offer a program they are excited about, because their best friend goes, because they go to admitted students day and have a good time … keeping them on the list is kind of a no-brainer if you are a CA resident (even if you don’t think you want to go to one when you apply in November). OP’s D’s stats are very strong and while the UC admissions can be wildly unpredictable, I can’t imagine that she won’t get into at least one. And SDSU/LB are common CSU backup picks for CA kids who worry about the UC’s “holistic” admissions… no essay/PIQs required.

OP: I know ED is tempting (my S26 is going to shoot his shot at an Ivy) but maybe stick to EDI for the super-favorite, no-regrets school and let things play out a bit before deciding on an EDII? You don’t have to decide now, or even have a school in mind. By then your D may have a strong take, or she may want to let the regular decisions come in and see what happens.

Just my 2 cents!

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Yes, we have been to a number of colleges on the list (UCs, CMC, Tufts, Brown, Georgetown, GWU, BU, BC etc) and ruled out others because of visit impressions (NYU, Columbia). Visiting Emory in 3 weeks before deciding on ED.

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Agree and may end up ED1 at CMC (truly dream school) and RD elsewhere.

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This is very valuable information, thank you. So the key deadline even with ED2 would be 11/15, which we were not aware of.

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U.S.C. has a merit deadline too. They’re on your list. Looks like Nov 1.

You might check all schools that offer a merit possibility to ensure you don’t miss a deadline. So RD looks to be Jan 10 but you have to apply by Nov 1 for scholarship consideration. It looks like non binding EA is also Nov 1 so that’s how you’d be applying.

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@tsbna44 yes, great point. We have been using the ED/RD dates from the CDS when planning but will start looking more closely at merit dates. (I think for USC they have an 11/1 EA date so we will probably aim for that anyway.)

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