My link does add a level of semi-comic intrigue to your original though.
Either way the evil one wins - she gets more fame and accolades, or she tarnishes the benevolent leader of a rival religion.
As some of us predicted, the Vatican is now trying to distance the Pope from the meeting with Davis. I can’t figure out how to link it, but the AP reports this morning that the Vatican has issued an official statement saying that the Pope’s meeting with Davis should not be viewed as evidence of support, that there were dozens of such meetings, all the result of the Pope’s “kindness and availability”.
Pope Benedict was the most scholarly IMHO of the last Popes due to his long time theologian positions and duties. Pope Francis is very deep in theology plus the application over many years in South America. So globally, I would say Pope Francis is a bit more in touch with what Catholics are facing in the world and focusing his ministry to spreading the good word and focusing on love, caring - WWJD. Saint John Paul II had his challenges but was able to do so many positive things. They are all human, better at some areas than others. For example, SJPII didn’t believe the US priest scandal was going on - he just couldn’t fathom it; it was Pope Benedict that was brought volumes of documents and he was physically sick from the priest abuses he learned were indeed covered up.
It makes sense that the Pope’s meeting with Davis doesn’t mean he unconditionally supports her. As others have said, meeting with criminals doesn’t mean the Pope supports their criminal actions.
That said, meeting with Davis must have meant something, mustn’t it? Did the Pope meet with totally random people whose names were drawn from a hat? I don’t think so. I assume there was something about Kim Davis that made her worth the Pope’s time. What was it, exactly? Enquiring minds want to know.
It’s not farfetched to believe that an anti-gay Vatican official orchestrated the “meeting” (probably just a visit and not a real “meeting”) with Lawless Kim Davis. Seems like the Vatican is now officially backpedaling fast to minimize the significance of Lawless Kim’s visit with El Papa.
In another life I had a lot of experience with advance teams for politicians and dignitaries. I’ve been with famous politicians in small rooms whom didn’t know whom the hell they were speaking to.
Interesting follow up story! This guy never ceases to amaze me…
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/index.html
“Meeting with” implies a 1-on-1 conversation. My understanding is she was in a room with a bunch of others. He may have spent a second or two with her. Odds that he knew she was there are low to zero.
That is now coming clear (post #228). However Davis and her boosters are pushing the story of a private meeting and a blessing of her agenda to further their cause.
Davis did not have a private audience with the Pope, as has been claimed and reported by her and her lawyers. The only private meeting in D.C. was with a former student of his, who happens to be a gay man. His partner and other family members were also included in the meeting. Oh, the irony.
It seems pretty clear from the reports coming out of the Vatican that the Pope likely had no idea who Kim Davis was, and she was one of many in a group who were present for brief hellos with the Pope.
If some Vatican underling invited her that person should not only be fired but excommunicated!
BTW I met with the pope a few years ago in Rome. Me, my wife and about five thousand of my closest friends in St. Peter’s Square.
Apparently the Papal Nuncio had been sent here from the Vatican (by Francis?). Any move away from the Vatican is considered a demotion to those who seek power so he must have had an axe to grind. I wonder where he’ll be sent next!
The lies continue to amaze me. She had a private meeting with just the Pope and her husband in a closed room? Did they think this wouldn’t be uncovered?
There is a parish in Baghdad that needs a priest!
So Lawless Kim is a hypocrite AND a liar! This “fable” doesn’t speak well of her lawyer either. By the way, all you folks who prematurely condemned the Pope atrociously jumped the gun.
Well I’m not used to liking the Pope so this is all new territory . . . 8->
People were reacting to what was reported by Kim Davis and her lawyer, that she had a private audience with the Pope, and people were reacting to that, the blame there is with Davis and her Lawyer, and also with media that reports things without any kind of fact check (I am tired of people telling me Twitter is a news revolution, Twitter is not a news revolution, Twitter is a raw data feed that often is dead wrong, ‘witness’ accounts that are a hoax or misreprorted, you name it.
I am not surprised that Davis and her lawyer would be claiming that, they are looking to further the cause of fighting back against same sex marriage, and using the Pope like that would be huge, it would be claiming credibility, especially since this pope unlike the last two is not a vicious homophobe, a hater. It shouldn’t come as a big surprise, a lot of the claims out in blog space and rant radio and certain ‘news’ sources is in this vein, so being in the room with the Pope is a private audience where he agreed to her actions, or the claims that planned parenthood was ‘harvesting fetal organs’ and the like for money (turns out that they were taking fetal stem cells that the abortion patient agreed to allow to be used, and they charged a processing fee to researchers to cover their costs, which is NOT making a profit out of it, and has been going on for decades, it is perfectly legal(). Misrepresenting “Facts”, like claiming that Norway has the same violent crime rate as the US based on one mass shooting, is stock and trade. I guess Kim Davis for all her religious zeal never read the sections of the bible about bearing false witness aka lying, and her lawyer, well, he is a lawyer, enough said, not exactly a profession without its share of liars and whiplash willies.
The New York Times carried a story datelined Vatican City in which they quote a number of people, official spokesman and Catholic leaders, that noted the Vatican was disturbed about being used, and by misstatements by Kim Davis and her attorney. And more interestingly, the anonymous source indicated the nuncio is on his way out.
So all these people downplaying the meeting are quoted and named - except the “several church analysts” suggesting the nuncio will be asked to retire. In the purely political world, we would say the nuncio’s goose is cooked.