<p>If I go to Johns Hopkins University for undergraduate education in order to go to Medical School, is it just as good as HYPS in terms of the types of medical schools I would be able to get into? We all know HYPS are, yes, more prestigious. However, I plan on becoming a very good doctor and eventually owning a large hospital. We all know Johns Hopkins would be an excellent place for this, but is it the absolute best for the undergraduate education? Better than HYPS? Would it be better than Dartmouth or Cornell?</p>

<p>Adding up the price for costs, it would be $54,690 per year; source from College Board.</p>

<p>If I didn't go to the Ivy League or Stanford, is that a disadvantage.</p>

<p>The bottom line is, can a person possibly get a better undergrad school to get into med than Johns Hopkins? Would Cornell be better? Would Dartmouth be better?</p>

<p>Lastly, going to Johns Hopkins would be a huge money expense, and to afford 4 years of that AND then 4 years of medical school, I could not afford it- except by taking a loan which would still cause a big burden. Knowing my family income, they will most likely not give financial aid- nothign substantial. My other option for a cheap school is University of Washington Seattle</p>

<p>All universities listed in your post are great universities, and some of the most respected that I know of. John Hopkins certainly, from what I hear, is a top university for majors in the medicine field.</p>

<p>Johns Hopkins might not be the absolute best out there.... there is Harvard university...I would say it's among the top 2 or 3... in terms of being a mecca for premed students...</p>

<p>HYPSM schools and Ivy league schools like Dartmouth or Cornell definitely can rival Hopkins in terms of med acceptance rates... Elite med schools are heavily represented by Ivy league caliber students for a reason. Ivy league schools regularly send students to top med schools.... Hopkins does too as well. They are both equally top options for premeds applying to med school...</p>

<p>The difference is that Hopkins has a significant majority of students (approx. 25% of the entering class who identify themselves as premed) who know they are going to be doctors and applied to the school specifically because of it's world renown medical programs... Hopkins is more geared towards medicine because a lot more students simply want to become doctors here than rival schools like Dartmouth (more of pre-business meeting in the woods) or Cornell (more known to attract engineer types than premed types) you know what I mean?</p>

<p>Don't take out loans... save the loans for medical school. UWashington is highly respected for primary care medicine and we need more primary care doctors as more and more baby boomer population become older and retire.</p>



<p>1) the quality of medical education in the US is overall extremely high (>90% of US med students pass USMLE Step 1 on the first try, >93% of US med students pass USMLE Step 2 CK on the first try)</p>

<p>2) NO medical school is going to keep you out of the specialty you desire so long as you have the board scores, and clinical grades necessary and you also apply smartly (if you limit yourself geographically or only to a few programs, you're putting yourself at a major and significant disadvantage).</p>

<p>3) There are very few scenarios in which going to a "top" (whatever that means) medical school really matters. These are mainly tied to celebrity practices or major political positions such as Surgeon General...</p>

<p>4) Do you want to be a doctor or a graduate of ___________ Medical School? Make sure your career priorities are in line with reality. </p>

<p>5) You can get into medical school from Pig's Knuckle State U just as easily as Harvard or JHU, assuming you have the stats. To be sure there are a greater proportion of students from top notch undergrads at the "name" medical schools, but I've yet to see convincing reasons that are the result of the education received at premiere undergrad schools. Peer pressure and a personality that values prestige are certainly much more responsible for this trend than what's really taught (or not taught) at any particular school.</p>

<p>6) Considering the cost of private medical school, the smartest choice financially is to go to your state university medical school, especially since the outcomes are so insignificantly different...</p>

<p>Go to UW. Hopkins pre-med isn't worth the 50K price tag when you could go to UW (i'm assuming you're instate) for around 10K. Plus, at UW you'll have an easier time getting A's and should have a great shot at hopkins for medical school.</p>

<p>Interestingly, of the physicians in my department (in Colorado) more than half attended medical school at the University of Washington. Everyone of them has become very successful in their own right and remember their alma mater warmly. I recently went out to visit UW Seattle to check out their biomedical sciences (graduate programs) and was very impressed.</p>

<p>Go to UW. If you are a top student, you might get more mentoring, internship, and research opportunities than if you were a middling student at JHU.</p>

<p>Save your money! $300k+ in undergraduate/medical school loans will very, very severely hamper the kinds of medicine you can actually do. You may think that JHU/Ivies will give your more opportunities - but in the global scheme of things they may give you substantially less.</p>


<p>Opportunities are plentiful; 80% of students at Hopkins conduct research at some point in their college careers, easily among the highest percentage in the nation. Research opportunites are plentiful and abundant... Hopkins is the leading recipient of NIH, NASA, NSF, and DoD etc.. research grants and spend has the largest annual research budget in America..... We spend more than 3X MIT's annual research budget and opportunities are available for even the "middling" students at JHU like myself :)</p>

<p>i don't know what people are trying to suggest by saying that you'll get more research opps at UWashington. If anything, the large student body, both grad and undergrad, will be hard to usurp.</p>

<p>At Hopkins, the pop. is like that of a large LAC school. The research and professors as simply the best in their fields. Hopkins is the best of both worlds. Also, research opportunities are more plentiful here than just about any other school in the country. There are students at Cornell, Upenn, etc, who only get the action that Hopkins freshmen and sophomores get when they are WAY into their junior and senior years.</p>

<p>Thanks a lot for the advice, but I am still stuck on what to do because the last posters have said Hopkins is the way to go and others said UW becuase of the price. More opinions would be awesome.</p>

<p>By the way, I eventually want to go to UW med, Johns H. Med, or Harvard Med.</p>

<p>How does Cornell and Dartmouth compare to UW and Johns Hop for the premed course route?</p>


<p>I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, except without the John Hopkins factor. I'm deciding between Cornell and Duke for premed, with UW as the cheapest choice. Then again, I want to major in either bioengineering or BME. Plus, I do get financial aid. But in your shoes, I think I would still go with Johns Hopkins, just because after so many years of probably working your butt off in high school, isn't it worth being able to say "I went to JH"? So many people in Washington go to UW - it's going to be hard to stand out in the huge undergrad classes.</p>

<p>Also, I second your question with a bit modification: How does Cornell compare to UW and Duke for premed?</p>



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