<p>What can I expect from a pre-read at a NESCAC school that does not require SATS or ACT?</p>
<p>Sorry, I can’t answer your question, but I have a question for you…which NESCAC does not require standardized testing?</p>
<p>Bates is the school</p>
<p>Bowdoin is test optional, as well.</p>
<p>In our (still very new) experience awaiting pre-reads from NESCAC schools for football, the coaches want the test scores up front, whether they are required or not. They bring the scores to admin to get the pre-read, along with the Jr. transcript, resume and school profile. Admissions gives feedback to the coaches regarding whether it’s okay to continue recruiting the student athlete enthusiastically (green light), cautiously (yellow)…or to cease and desist (red). </p>
<p>We have been informed that the pre-read data and actual admissions evaluation never cross paths or will be reassessed by admissions, again. </p>
<p>If/when the official apps come back through admissions, whether the pre-read was a green or yellow light…they are looked at as new data sets - supplemented by the recruit’s common app and supplemental essays, teacher and GC recommendations and first quarter grades.</p>
<p>S had a pre-read at Bowdoin the summer after junior year. He planned to submit his scores so there was not an issue over whether he would be required to. He had to provide a copy of his transcript through junior year, a resume that included all his ECs and awards, and a list of the courses he would be taking senior year, as well as senior year activities. His HS does not rank or calculate GPAs.</p>
<p>Although Bowdoin is test-optional, I recall seeing an article in which the Director of Admissions recently noted something along the lines that as the test scores of applicants submitting them get higher and higher, it becomes increasingly difficult to justify admitting a student who doesn’t submit scores when the school can admit a student who otherwise is a match for that applicant in all regards but has submitted very high test scores.</p>
<p>Bowdoin requires all admitted students to submit their test scores for placement purposes even if they didn’t submit them for admission purposes, and I believe the school’s Common Data Set uses the scores of all students, not just those who reported them for admission.</p>
<p>Thanks for your response. From what you mentioned , it sounds like a coach could convey a “green light” even if the pre-read was not stellar if he was planning to use a “slot” and a “yellow light” if he was not willing todo so. Is that your sense as well?</p>
<p>Yes. That is my sense. I believe most coaches know who their slot and tip kids are going into pre-reads… but I’m not sure, at what point any NESCAC coach enters into discussions with Admissions to actually slot or tip them (at preread …or before actual Admissions review of apps).</p>
<p>if a nescac coach were to give you a “slot” and a few suggestions of what to change (in terms of grades/sat scores), and these suggestions were followed, what are the chances of admission?</p>
<p>That would be a candid conversation for that particular student athlete to have with the coach. Admissions has the final say.</p>
<p>Here’s story that I recall reading recently, about a kid who successfully accepted the challenge to improve his candidacy at Middlebury:</p>
<p>[Middlebury</a> football the next step for H-W’s Duval Sports SalemNews.com, Salem, MA](<a href=“http://www.salemnews.com/sports/x167220338/Middlebury-football-the-next-step-for-H-Ws-Duval]Middlebury”>http://www.salemnews.com/sports/x167220338/Middlebury-football-the-next-step-for-H-Ws-Duval)</p>
<p>Are there official and unofficial pre-reads? I had a coach tell my son that he had done a good job at school. we had sent it in a transcript. But don’t know if that was official</p>
<p>i0p3de if you are using the term “slot” the same as a “pick” and you did everything else he suggested, then in my experience… admisssion is very likely. The coach knows what he needs from each applicant with a pick, and what he needs without a pick. If you do all the coach tells you, and the coach really wants you… then chances are great, if the coach is being forthright. </p>
<p>A tip by the coach is different, a tip is like saying to admission, I’d like this kid can you help me out… iffy… unless all the other stats are within the range of the school. </p>
<p>Then there are the kids that would normally be admitted anyway, SAT scores higher than needed, great gpa and the coach just has to ask admissions… Those buy the coach some goodwill with admissions to be used for his tips…</p>
<p>d3fourme… A pre read is with Admissions, and you get their opinion… The coaches opinion alone, isnt worth the same. Remember in d3 Admissions has the power and the final say.</p>
<p>So how does the pre-read work? Sorry to ask such a dumb question. My son was congratulated on his academic record by head coach after sending in jr transcript, we have been assigned a recruiter and encouraged to come see a game. At another school a coach told my son he would be ``heavily recruiting’’ him but we haven’t sent a transcript to that school. Do you have direct contact with admissions or is this info relayed through the coaches. How formal is it?</p>
<p>d3fourme it all depends on what type of d3 school you are looking at. Nescacs, only admissions can say whether you are admitted or not. Coach can be overridden. Other d3’s are more accomodating for coaches.</p>
<p>At all schools pre reads go through the coaches. It just depends on what they need to bring to admissions. Definately need transcript, SAT/ACT scores and those can be unofficial. 'some schools will want to see all EC’s maybe the essay, it depends on whether the coach is using a pick and where the kid falls on the admit scale.</p>
<p>Some coaches will tell you anything and some are very honest. i have seen both, the best and the worst in the last year, but we knew that going in… Search these forums for topics to help. You will learn so much.</p>
<p>You can also ask for a financial aid pre read, that will give you the ball park of where the award will be if you get past the regular pre read. </p>
<p>Listen for what the coach is telling you, after he has all the info, grades,scores ec’s etc. and then do it. If he says you need to apply ED to get into the school,(higher admit rate) the see if you can (without knowing the actual award== dicey but possibly necessary), If he says he needs a certain grade in a class get it… Of course if you are over the grades and scores for some of non nescac schools, as was our case with some schools, both the coach and admissions, will basically give you the key to the school… scholarships, lots of merit money and more. At the non nescacs coaches have more say in admissions and they can have more leeway. </p>
<p>All said, all of the above depends also on the sport, the ability of the athlete, the SCHOOL and how honest the coach is. I know kids who were strung along and dumped and others who were told the truth up front. It is up to the parents to evaluate all the coachspeak. You must judge if the coach is real, and any coach who gives you an absolute guarantee is lying.</p>
<p>Also, I have seen many coaches interested after seeing JR year tape and grades, only to lose interest after seeing SR year. there is so much growth that particular year that the coaches view can change. Not saying it will, just saying it happens. Also, senior grades and schedules play a big part especially at the NESCAC level. An easy senior schedule can be the kiss of death. Ask the coach where the kid is on his recruiting list, if the coach hedges, just know it. We have been given the hard sell and been lied to by coaches trying to get my son to go there. We have also been told the truth and helped by other good coaches, some of which couldnt recruit my son, because they had recruiting needs at other positions, but still told him to apply and they would do what they could. I just always appreciated be told the truth more. </p>
<p>All the things coaches have said to you are nice, but need to be taken with a grain of salt. Do they plan on having you come for an overnight? Will they use a pick? Using a pick if they need to is huge, because the coach is saying “I want YOU>>>” in football the coaches get only 14, so using it signifies that the coach is committed to your kid. </p>
<p>Best advice… educate yourself here… lots of good advice and lessons learned… If you need more info message me.</p>
<p>This is an interesting PowerPoint presentation I found on-line. It is centered on Hockey… but the general principles seem to be spot on regarding Ivy and NESCAC recruiting.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.roadtocollege.com/doc/Hockey/Academic_Index_and_NESCAC_Bands.ppt[/url]”>http://www.roadtocollege.com/doc/Hockey/Academic_Index_and_NESCAC_Bands.ppt</a></p>
<p>The NESCAC pre-read process begins on slide 21, I believe… and it DOES refer to banding in the NESCAC recruiting process…at slide 24.</p>
<p>Thanks MaryOC, that is a great read. Everyone considering an Ivy or NESCAC school should review this. Alot of these points have been discussed before. This presentation puts the facts together very nicely, and validates some points that some folks have been trying to make for some time. For example, some had dismissed the idea that “the Essay” was not important. This presentation tell us that the Essay is extremely important.</p>
<p>FYI - Connecticut College (also a NESCAC school) is also test optional … in about their 2nd or 3rd year of being test optional</p>
<p>FenwaySouth… I find a lot of folks at CC also downplay the interview as non-essential for NESCAC schools… but it is reiterated here that a successful interview can be instrumental for any kid on the cusp. </p>
<p>It’s also worth noting this presentation does not mention Bates as being test optional…but that’s likely because Bates doesn’t have a hockey team, and this presentation was pitched to hockey families by the consultant.</p>
<p>As the ED deadline looms, how much are people hearing back from coaches?</p>
<p>I think that varies school to school. I do know that players have been on official visits at different NESCAC schools. I think it depends if the coach is pushing ED or not. Sometimes coaches want a kid to go ED because they will need the help with admissions and sometimes it is because they want to lock in the kid.</p>