Pregnant Sudanese woman sentenced to death for refusing to renounce her Christian faith

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<p>Courts can and should be openly challenged if they enact punishments with which the populous disagrees, and they are not some sanctified institutions that cannot or should not be challenged. They are a public institution that should be held accountable for their decisions. </p>

<p>Courts are also made up of humans with no more special qualities than other humans in the population; they just gave a specific job and technical skill. Given the fact the courts are human with all the potential failings therein, then only absolute idiots blindly follow every decision of other humans.</p>

<p>^^ You completely miss my point. </p>

<p>I certainly agree with you about challenging courts. But in this case, I do not think that having foreigners–especially non-Muslims–openly calling this decision barbaric and unjust is going to help that woman in the slightest. All it would do is inflame those who see the Great Satan (us) as the sworn enemy of Islam, and make them more determined to carry through with their version of Sharia.</p>

<p>The way I see it, we can either help her, or posture at a safe distance.</p>

<p>^^ Thanks for the explanation.</p>

<p>It is obvious why I missed the point - your initial post never explained the reasoning above. So, your approach is to be quiet, as to not to make them more angry. </p>

<p>Well, at some point, people will figure out that when you are called the Great Satan and / or an enemy by someone being quiet does not change one thing; it just makes you look weaker. </p>

<p>Germany is a great case-in-point prior to WW2. England and Europe did everything, just short of rolling over and wagging their tails, to try and not make Germany angry, as to not invade. And look what good it did them.</p>

<p>Additionally, it will also be learned that there is no safe distance from someone vowing to eliminate you and who will follow you to wherever.</p>

<p>^^Totally different situation. Germany was actively invading other countries. (Think Saddam and Kuwait.) But even in that case, if you actually wanted to rescue a single Jew, your best bet would have been not to demonstrate at home about the injustice of the racial laws, but to quietly lay out some bribes in the right quarters. </p>

<p>Again, it is a question of whether your goal is to actually rescue this woman.</p>

<p>Believe me, I absolutely detest religious fanatics of all stripes, and this type in particular. If I could figure out a way to defang Islam, bring it into the modern age, and do away with regional “customs” that have become entwined with it, such as genital mutilation and honor killings, I would. But I think that is going to be something that has to happen from within.</p>

<p>I’m sure you guys have seen this, no?</p>

<p>Honor Killing - Pakistani Woman Beaten to Death by Family
<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/28/world/asia/pakistan-pregnant-woman-killed/”>Pregnant Pakistani woman beaten to death with bricks by relatives - CNN;

<p>Yes. I even had a post draft started but got distracted. So infinitely sad! </p>

<p>Yes. Unfortunately.</p>

<p>She has now given birth to her daughter.</p>

<p>Hope this freedom talk is for real. Would be great news.</p>

<p><a href=“Sudan apostasy woman: Meriam Ibrahim 'to be freed' after death sentence for marrying Christian man | The Independent | The Independent”>Sudan apostasy woman: Meriam Ibrahim 'to be freed' after death sentence for marrying Christian man | The Independent | The Independent;

<p>And here.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.timesofisrael.com/sudanese-mother-facing-death-sentence-for-apostasy-to-be-freed/”>http://www.timesofisrael.com/sudanese-mother-facing-death-sentence-for-apostasy-to-be-freed/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I hope some of the people on this thread will now recognize that diplomacy and public shaming have their place in foreign affairs. Thank God. </p>

<p>Diplomacy is a far cry from blustering about taking military action.</p>

<p>Well, the latest news is that no deal actually occurred and that her fate has not changed. So, diplomacy has failed, so far. It has no strength if you aren’t willing to take military action or have Sudan’s main trading partners cooperate in an embargo. We can only hope that the Sudanese change their decision. <a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/30/world/africa/sudan-apostasy-husband/”>Condemned Sudan woman won't give up Christianity, husband says - CNN;

<p>^^ Thanks for the update. Yep, it was too good to be true, after all. </p>

<p>I continue to think that some quiet bribery would work best.</p>

<p>If only we could trade her for someone… I think you are right, Consolation.</p>

<p><a href=“Christian Woman Who Faced Death Sentence Safely Leaves Sudan | Time”>http://time.com/3028454/mariam-yahya-ibrahim-sudan-apostate-christian/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“A Sudanese woman who faced the death sentence for refusing to renounce Christianity met with Pope Francis on Thursday, hours after she safely landed in Italy en route to the United States, the Vatican said.” </p>

<p>^^^^Good to hear.</p>

<p>Thanks for posting the link! Good news.</p>

<p>So nice to hear good news with everything going on in the world today.</p>