Premarital Sex

[ElemenoPQ]

<p>^^^ Dear debators: Stop using useless rhetoric just for the sake of arguing. You know what he means.</p>

[TrueLove]

<p>Elem, get a conscience first, then you can understand why premarital sex is wrong.</p>

[MosbyMarion]

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But what’s it called if something’s not wrong but also not exactly right?

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<p>Stupid.</p>

<p>“There are three kinds of actions: Right, wrong, and stupid.”</p>

<p>-said by no famous people that I know of, but somebody should have said it.</p>

[ThisCouldBeHeavn]

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I have thus far just about never gotten a more intelligent and reasonable response than that.

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<p>Ah, sweet homeschool.</p>

[ElemenoPQ]

<p>Wouldn’t a stupid action also be wrong?</p>

[MosbyMarion]

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Teach them about the dangers of careless drinking. Just like how most schools teach students about the dangers of unprotected sex.

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<p>So your recommended course for drunk driving is to say “drinking at driving is dangerous. So if you do it, at least do it carefully”?</p>

[fairy_dreams]

<p>^^Not really. I could jump into a swamp filled with snapping turtles who have a craving for human meat. It’d be incredibly stupid, but not wrong by any means.</p>

<p>I might even end up with a Darwin award.</p>

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So your recommended course for drunk driving is to say “drinking at driving is dangerous. So if you do it, at least do it carefully”?

You’re not getting this.</p>

<p>Drinking and driving is dangerous and it kills more people than almost anything else. People need to know the consequences of certain actions and work to prevent them.</p>

<p>You might not want to be a syllabus writer :/</p>

[ElemenoPQ]

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Elem, get a conscience first, then you can understand why premarital sex is wrong.

Not the kind of response I’d expect from someone who debates in state and nationals.</p>

[MosbyMarion]

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Wouldn’t a stupid action also be wrong?

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<p>Not neccesarily. For example, I think it would be stupid to stuff cheetos up my nose. But I dont think it would be wrong.</p>

<p>EDIT: aw, fairy beat me to it :P</p>

[TrueLove]

<p>Elem, didn’t Forest Gump teach you the truth of behavior: Stupid is as stupid does?</p>

[ElemenoPQ]

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Not really. I could jump into a swamp filled with snapping turtles who have a craving for human meat. It’d be incredibly stupid, but not wrong by any means.</p>

<p>I might even end up with a Darwin award.

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<p>Hahahahahahahaha! One of the few good points I’ve seen in this thread so far!</p>

<p>EDIT:

Not neccesarily. For example, I think it would be stupid to stuff cheetos up my nose. But I dont think it would be wrong.

Cute! Gotcha guys.</p>

[MosbyMarion]

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Ah, sweet homeschool.

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<p>Got anything else to say?</p>

[TrueLove]

<p>Elem, I debate at the same calibre as my opponent. In your case: exceptionally simplistic. What can I say?!</p>

[meadow36]

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A FEW problems I have:</p>

<p>No mechanism. Natural selection explains why a gene pool would be refined into specialized varieties (Darwin’s finches). But where do the genes come from in the first place? The only way genes change is through mutation, which, though impressive in Marvel comics, in real life does not create new and useful features. For a fish to mutate into a frog would require an incredibly unlikely series of random changes, which would need to either happen all at once or happen in a way that each phase was superior to the one before it.</p>

<p>No time. Dating methods are a crapshoot, but even generous estimates don’t give NEARLY enough time for evolution to happen, even assuming there was a mechanism that caused regular changes to the DNA (yet not so frequent as to destroy the creatures that existed).</p>

<p>No fossils. Even IF there was a mechanism, AND enough time, where did all the creatures go? Where are the “fishphibians” and “whalefaloes”? All we’ve got is a couple of slabs of rock with prints of both feathers and teeth. Complete feathers and complete teeth. Where are the half-evolved feathers and half-gone teeth? Really, where’s the half-evolved anything?</p>

<p>Lots and lots of perfect designs. So many things is this world see to be made exactly perfect for their worlds, with the exact set of traits they need, the loss of any of which would be crippling. Pity to poor proto-cleanerfish before groupers had evolved the instinct not to eat a certain small kind of fish that swim into their mouths, even though they spend the rest of their time eating other small fish. And what an amazing coincidence that an algae happened to land on a fungus one day and randomly learn how to make a combined algae-fungus spore, giving us the first lichen. Imagine how many failed versions of that there must have been?

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<p>Oh dear. This looks like it could be a long day. Some severe misconceptions. And as much as I absolutely adore this debate, I have saved this, and will respond the entirety of it later when I have free time. But no, I have not ignored it.</p>

<p>I can however respond the the last problem you have briefly. Evolution isn’t intelligent design. Rather it’s a series of random mutations, that by a “trial-and-error” mechanism determine which allele or trait is most advantageous. The one’s that aren’t advantageous, just don’t happen to survive very long, and are thus removed from the population.</p>

<p>So if you think about evolution as a random process it doesn’t seem so implausible does it?</p>

[ThisCouldBeHeavn]

<p>I’ve never had my beliefs challenged because I don’t want my beliefs challenged.</p>

[fairy_dreams]

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Elem, I debate at the same calibre as my opponent. In your case: exceptionally simplistic. What can I say?!

Hmm, at least Elem doesn’t fall to the same level as his/her opponent. Because that is an incredibly stupid thing to do.</p>

<p>Be glad that Elem doesn’t revert to personal attacks as a means of debating.</p>

[ElemenoPQ]

<p>Meadow, you are by far a better person than me. I am way to lazy to attack his post. I just MIGHT if the poster is still confused… after AP testing is done of course.</p>

<p>^ Hey… are you guys just calling me stupid now?</p>

[TrueLove]

<p>fairy, get off the road! Remember, you are “Lost”. You definately need navi (navigation).</p>

[fairy_dreams]

<p>Oh, don’t worry dearie. I have a GPS.</p>

<p>And the local hitchhikers are really friendly about giving directions.</p>

[ElemenoPQ]

<p>You definitely need spell check. xP</p>