<p>^ Odd that the above list is titled “Getting Inside the Ivy Gates”, but compares the schools only on their matriculation to HYP.</p>
<p>there is an article that the title pertains to followed by this list.</p>
<p>“Ivy Gates” - What a load of crap.</p>
<p>There are tons of good schools that aren’t “Ivy League.” That term is an athletic conference formed 60 years ago. What about top liberal arts schools or other top research universities? People need to chill with the infatuation with “HYP.” Post-graduation, HYPers will work alongside people from other colleges, you know. </p>
<p>My college is exclusive and prestigious, yet one of my buddies who went to Andover told me that her guidance counselor told her she was throwing her life away by EDing my school instead of some “Ivy.”</p>
<p>fantastic, I agree with you. I’m also wondering why the other 5 ivies are not included…hmm they are not exactly “chopped liver”.</p>
<p>St Paul’s sent 41% to Ivies plus standford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Amherst and Williams. The rest are going to schools that aren’t too shabby either. The highest in the country</p>
<p>babouche, no doubt sps is very very good however, those numbers are high for the last three years. I got the info directly from their web site. Actually maybe you’re number are correct, you have alot of schools included in this number. But aren’t you missing something the point of boarding school? EDUCATION</p>
<p>What about reputation based on recent inproprieties? That may be important to some.</p>
<p>prepparent: I have the 2006 destination. Now, scandals didn’t affect the academics or life over here. If anything, kids, teachers and adm. have come closer together and there is now a spirit of family and a bond that is very special. The academics are by far superior to any other schools in the country. Classes are small, teachers are extremely competent and entusiastic. Kids are smart and very competitive on the ice, water or classroom. With 550 students, all boarding, the experience is just unique and superior to any other boarding, day school or combination of both</p>
<p>babouche, I admire your commitment to SPS. I will agree that sps is a fine school but, I would have to have superior defined in the contexts of best school as well as what really constitutes best school. By the way, kids are smart everywhere , SPS does not have the market on “smart”</p>
<p>“Superior” is in the eye of the beholder. Just like “the best school”. What’s superior to one person is inferior to another for a whole lot of reasons. What’s the best school for one isn’t for another.</p>
<p>That’s one reason the school visit is so important. Each of these schools has their own personality.</p>
<p>Whoa my school is in the top 10. And I totally agree with Loophole – all of the “mini-ivy” schools, both day and boarding are extremely different and have really diverse ideas on learning. Spence and Brearley are different, Exeter and Andover are different - look at a lot of school cause you really never know what will work.</p>
<p>babouche: your comments make me wonder what connection you even have to SPS. I know many alumni of SPS, and all are bright enough that they would find your comments to be quite ignorant.</p>
<p>SPS is an excellent prep school, with an equally excellent repuation, but to claim it is “by far superior to any other school in the country” is absurd, and only makes you look unintelligent.</p>
<p>Ah come on, she’s entitled to school pride. Anyway, EVERYONE knows Andover is best by farrr…</p>
<p>lol, I thought my Public School in Cali was the BOMB.</p>
<p>Interesting. I think my public school is pretty mediocre at best, but then, that’s because it is. </p>
<p>I agree that it’s not fair to say that St. Paul’s is superior. If I thought it did have the best resources of all the schools in the country, perhaps I would agree (even though I know there is no “best” school), but I don’t. They don’t have competitive fencing. Therefor, it cannot be the best school. Indirect proof.</p>
<p>well of course St paul’s doesnt hav all the best resources of all the schools…their headmaster needs to buy his ferrari… look at their evershrinking endownment…lol…at one point they had 600M…now they are almost tied with hotchkiss… </p>
<ol>
<li> Phillips Exeter Academy Co-Ed<br>
9-12, PG $ 706 M</li>
<li> Phillips Academy Andover Co-Ed<br>
9-12, PG $ 700 M</li>
<li> St. Paul’s School Co-Ed<br>
9-12 $ 389 M</li>
<li> Hotchkiss School Co-Ed<br>
9-12, PG $ 382 M</li>
</ol>
<p>Maybe we should make it a rule that you can not boast for your own school. lol
It’s obvious where bearcats and babouche attend, I wonder if they are truly going to give us any insight a to what school is the best. Obviously not… From looking at SAT scores that seem to be important for most of you, Hotchkiss ranks below some schools with much lower endowments. Maybe Hotchkiss is not spending that huge endowment wisely.How much does one need to get a top notch education. There are some schools out there with a 30 million dollar endowment that offer 1st rate educations.</p>
<p>Hey here’s an idea, why don’t we look at the endowment and compare each dollar with each point of their SAT. If we do that, Hotchkiss would be hard pressed to compete with most schools.</p>
<p>well actually…hotchkiss’s SAT average last year is 2010 and st paul’s last year was 2049…which is kinda lower, but you have to take into account that hotchkiss accepts 20 sports PGs each year which their SAT basically make up the lowest 25th percentile of Hotchkiss SAT scores…while St Paul doesnt offer PG year…hotchkiss education should not be responsible for the PG’s SAT scores because almost all of them took their SATs before they came… and they kinda skewed the data to the lower end… If you eliminate the effect of the PGs… i think it’s more or less on par…</p>
<p>you simply cant compare the SAT scores of schools without PG year with schools with PG year unless you can eliminate the PG effect</p>
<p>how bout another idea… by how much the compare endownment decrease (increase in most case…maybe not SPS) per year to how much money is actually spent on students??</p>
<p>if you wanna go by how well endownment is spent… SPS’s endownment decreased by more than 250M in the last 6 years…in regular cases…endownment increases by about 8 % per year for most schools (interest and investment yields)…given SPS’s original 600M endownment…that means SPS used up (48 X 6)M in interest + 250M in the decrease in endownment…that adds up to 538M…you think SPS actually spent 538M on its student body in the last 6 years? or maybe the former headmaster’s new cars and houses?</p>
<p>bearcats, what happens if one of those PG’s get’s into Georgetown, Harvard, Brown,or Middlebury, does the school include that in their matriculation data? Many of these sport PG’s are highly coveted by schools named above, and many PG’s attend such schools.</p>
<p>actually…if you do matriculation by percentage…which is what most people do when they compare…that actually drags the data down… becoz only less than 1/5 of the PGs get into ivies/Stanford. or their counterpart LACs (last year 3 out of 20)</p>
<p>bearcats, see entry #57 I believe Hotchkiss as a whole matrics 21% to ivies/stanford/mit. I can attest to those numbers, I researched them for another CC’er. I’m in no way saying a school should be merely judged by their matrics, but, that would put Hotchkiss 9th, 10th or 11th. Not bad I may add.</p>