Preparing to Apply - Information for H.S. Juniors and Seniors

<p>If I remember correctly, we were able to get most aps in August, and those we couldn’t get we could get last year’s versions so we could pre-assemble all needed info.</p>

<p>D and I spent time creating checklists, schedules, audition requirements and made dedicated files for each school AND for all test scores, recommendations and resumes. She also created a notebook for archiving all essays she wrote (including computer file names and revision dates), and another notebook specifically for scheduling auditions and travel. All of this organization paid off throughout the process, and it could be done before she had final aps.</p>

<p>She also found she could identify several “generic” essay question that showed up in a lot of applications and devoted time to writing those in advance.</p>

<p>I can’t remember when the Common Ap essay questions were available, but IIRC they stayed the same last year from the prior year so she got a head start on those as well. </p>

<p>Another thing we did one day before starting aps was go to a coffee shop and she brainstormed all of her experiences, special talents, strengths and weaknesses. She went back to that list often while writing essays.</p>

<p>It sounds like she did this all happily, but there was a goodly amount of kicking and screaming involved at times. ;-)</p>

<p>One other thing D did in advance of having all the applications was to write a couple really great stories about specific moments she’d had related to MT. She focused on “show don’t tell” and really fine tuned those stories. They became the kernel of most of her essays, and having them well-crafted in advance really saved time later.</p>

<p>The common app always has an option to write on the topic of your choice, so it doesn’t matter what the questions are anyway… Pretty sure the common app is available in the summer.</p>

<p>The Common Application is in “Preview” view now. As for the point that 2011-2012 materials are not yet available, we’re just using the materials that are on the websites now. We figured that the applications would be pretty much the same within a one-year span and whatever adjustments that we have to make based on the new apps, we’ll make when they become available. </p>

<p>We have a binder with dividers for each school with completed essays, paper applications, audition info (from school’s website) and other pertinent information. We even have College Confidential threads printed and filed behind each school’s divider.</p>

<p>It’s about the time of year when rising juniors are finalizing their lists of schools to which to apply. A question that has come up here and in other threads is that of “fit”. I thought it might be interesting to kick off a renewed discussion of “fit” as it applies to selecting schools on your list. So here are some thoughts I’ve cobbled together based on thoughts I’ve expressed on other threads. </p>

<p>“Fit” is not a static concept. How you evaluate it at the application/audition stage is going to be different from the point at which you are choosing from among acceptances. At the application stage, it’s a bilateral concept: what are you looking for in a school and what are schools looking for in an applicant. You need to think through both aspects as you put together your short list of schools to which to apply. At the end, when you are deciding from among your acceptances, it’s all about how you think the school fits you. The factors will be different for non-audition schools and audition based programs both at the application and the decision stages. And how you prioritize and evaluate the factors that go into fit will evolve throughout the process based on your experiences and info you pick up along the way. At the beginning of the process, the thresholds to be met in determining preliminarily whether a school fits your desires probably should be a bit lower than at the end so as to not prematurely eliminate schools where you match their criteria. Once acceptances are in, then you can re-evaluate schools and tighten up on your expectations. So, where to start….</p>

<p>First, what are your strengths and weaknesses – innate talent, training and experience in acting, voice and dance. Academic/student profile. How do they line up with schools on your long list. Keep in mind that in the audition process, schools often place different emphasis and weight on the 3 talent components and may evaluate them differently. Audition based schools require varying thresholds of academic performance and give varying weight to academics vs. talent. Non-audition schools are all about academics/student profile. School websites have a lot of valuable info. Visiting the schools and speaking both with admissions and theatre department reps can be an invaluable source of info of this type. This type of inquiry is an important aspect of figuring out the “short list” of schools to which to apply. Are you a good fit for the schools which you are considering for your list.</p>

<p>It can be a very daunting task to try to get a handle on whether you fit the audition based schools on your list, often leading to a frenzy of applying to an extreme number of schools instead of a more focused, balanced, manageable list. With regard to the audition process, some things to consider, based on website research, talking to the theatre departments and to students in the program are: what are the audition criteria, how are they scored, what types of scores are needed to have a successful audition and what is looked for to get those scores. How are the voice, acting and dance components weighed relative to each other. Ask about songs, monologs, dance routines. Ask about the curriculum, the focus of the acting, dance and vocal components, the pedagogy, all to get an in depth understanding of the school. Identify your areas of strengths and weaknesses compared to the info you acquire. Then throw in issues of diversity in terms of program size, number of applicants, regional vs national pools, academic requirements and acceptance rates. Through this kind of process, you can narrow down your “big list” of schools to a manageable size that is diverse, balanced and tailored to your strengths. It’s a lot of work to do this up front, but in my view it is better to do this in July than to run yourself ragged applying and auditioning at 15 or more schools when 8-10 well thought through ones will do the trick.</p>

<p>Second, what are you looking for in a school. There are so many factors that can go into this. Size of school/program, full university/college vs. arts university, city vs. town vs. suburban location, encapsulated campus vs. city streets campus. BA vs. BFA, balance of performance curriculum vs. liberal arts curriculum, balance of performance curriculum amongst and between acting, voice and dance, balance of academic theatre vs. performance classes, opportunity to minor or double major, strength of the liberal arts curriculum, typical performance season (drama vs. musicals). Dorms, meal plans, campus life and activities. Climate, geographic location. Scholarships, financial aid and costs. Does the school have some kind of cut system. All things to consider when putting together the “short list”. All things to look at again when deciding on acceptances.</p>

<p>At the end, when April hits and acceptances are in, you go back and evaluate fit all over again, with the benefit of an audition season’s worth of experience, having visited schools, met with reps and having asked a ton of questions. Probably the best description of how to evaluate and compare schools at the end of the process was posted by mtdog71. See <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1098171-any-advice-determining-quality-mt-program-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1098171-any-advice-determining-quality-mt-program-2.html&lt;/a&gt; Also, sitting in on classes, once the decision is down to the 2 top acceptances, provides a tremendous opportunity to get a first hand feel for a school and could very well be the ultimate determinative factor (as it was for my daughter).</p>

<p>It’s a multi-faceted process involving a lot of research and time. There’s a ton of objective information that can inform about fit and the trick is to methodically organize it so that you don’t go nuts from information overload. But at the end, the ultimate determiner of “fit” is often a gut reaction! I’ve posted this elsewhere but it is worth repeating. Throughout my daughter’s school selection, application, audition and final decision process, I had binders, charts, spread sheets, containing the accumulation of 2 years of research, web site browsing, campus and department visitations. At the end, when she was down to choosing between her top 2 schools from her acceptances, she sat in on classes and her gut reaction to that experience superseded all the objective research. When she came home conflicted about what choice to make, I had 3 questions for her: where do you feel you will learn the most, where do you feel you will have the best rapport with the teachers, where do you feel most “at home”.</p>

<p>Hope some of this is helpful. Any other thoughts anyone?</p>

<p>Thanks for all of this helpful information! I had a question; does anyone know which BFA programs, either for drama or musical theatre, have early decision? It seems some of the more well-known programs do not; just wondering if there is a list somewhere on these boards of those that do. Thanks!</p>

<p>Tisch does ED. But, it’s only accept or reject; they do not defer.</p>

<p>Evansville made some VERY early offers last year… during the summer after the Thespian festival in Nebraska. Also… not a BFA but worth mentioning that Northwestern has binding ED and Yale offers EA.</p>

<p>Thanks for the information!</p>

<p>My D received fall acceptances from OCU, Millikin and Ohio Northern. Last year Coastal Carolina did early acceptance for their November on-campus auditions.</p>

<p>Also, if you check the early posts on the HS Class of 2011 Acceptance thread you can see some of the schools that offered fall acceptances:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1036114-mt-acceptances-hs-class-2011-college-name.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1036114-mt-acceptances-hs-class-2011-college-name.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Some others with fall EA or fall rolling admissions (NOT binding):</p>

<p>Elon, Baldwin-Wallace, Hartt, Point Park, Penn State, UArts. Possibly Montclair (not sure about this)</p>

<p>Syracuse has ED (or did up through this year)</p>

<p>Northwestern has ED (theatre, no audition)</p>

<p>Good morning,
I just subscribed to this thread and have a lot of reading to do, but wanted to say Hi. I am the proud mom of a son entering his Junior year of High School and just finished his 23rd show. He would like to attend a Musical Theatre Program so we are just beginning our research. He has friends attending Baldwin-Wallace, Wright State and Bowling Green State, all in Ohio. </p>

<p>Thanks,
Becki</p>

<p>Welcome! It’s great to have you. This is a wonderful place to begin doing your research. It looks like your son is on the right target, and since he’s only going to be a junior, the next year is really beneficial for you to search CC and begin to build your college list. Keep training (not just doing shows!) and making sure he gains all of the skills he can before next year rolls around, it will be sooner than you think. Trust me! ;)</p>

<p>That’s wonderful that you already know about those 3 great schools, and if you’re interested specifically in staying in state for MT programs, Ohio is one of the best places to do it! In addition to those three, Ohio-Northern University, Kent State University, and Otterbein College (are they under University status, yet?) are also three wonderful programs that would be worth looking at. </p>

<p>You will find an answer to almost any question you can imagine here- usually just by using the search function! Best of luck!</p>

<p>You might want to add the College Conservatory of Music (CCM) at the Univ. of Cincinnati to your list. As an Ohio resident your son could get in-state tuition.</p>

<p>Thank you AlexaMT. Yes he is interested in staying in Ohio. I wasn’t aware of those other 3 programs, thanks. He has been fortunate to have some great vocal coaches we have met through community theatre and will continue to work with. His last role was Javert in Les Miserables, which we will be taking to OCTA, Jr. this Saturday.</p>

<p>Thank you MTMama. Yes, he wants to audition there as well. I was looking at their web site last night actually.</p>

<p>Have a great day!
Becki</p>

<p>I know that sounds a bit counter-intuitive, but let me explain.</p>

<p>Last year I started making a spreadsheet of all the audition requirements for every school that I thought D might be interested in. I also investigated whether they went to Unifieds (we’re in Los Angeles). I carefully noted all the requirements for ballads, uptempo, contemporary, classical, and everything else I could find. (It was really a lot of fun and rather educational in its own right)!</p>

<p>BUT, now that the time is quickly approaching to begin applying to all of these schools, I’m finding that MANY, MANY of the requirements have changed. SO, the moral to the story is this: I would have been better off just pasting a link to the page with the requirements into my spreadsheet so that I wouldn’t have to go searching them out again now! Also, many of the schools that went to Unifieds last year aren’t going this year and vice versa!</p>

<p>In the end it doesn’t matter that much because D will still be preparing the same combination of songs/monologues, because there are schools that require them in various combinations, but I wasted a lot of time cutting and pasting info that’s now outdated!</p>

<p>Just a word to the wise, FWIW!</p>

<p>tracyvp, I’d be interested in hearing more details about the things that changed. In many respects, investigating schools and preparing for auditions is a process that evolves over time and you are dead on when you note the importance of making sure you have current information as the time approaches for auditions. </p>

<p>In my daughter’s case, we put together a spread sheet of audition requirements early in her junior year so that she had a good picture of the landscape that assisted her in tailoring her training in a manner more focused and geared to the audition process. July before her senior year, we started revisiting the audition webpages for the schools to which she was applying so that as each school posted its information for the new audition cycle (some schools took until September to do so), we could update audition dates and locations and audition requirements. This enabled my daughter to focus her audition prep based on what schools required for the current cycle and to come up with a sequencing and timing of auditions that made sense to her.</p>

<p>As you seem to indicate, we didn’t find that there were radical changes that totally altered the audition prep process. Maybe 16 bars vs 32 or vice versa, 1 monolog instead of 2, at particular schools, but across all of the schools, the same combination of songs, monologs and cuts as found in the earlier information, just refined on the spread sheet by school based on the current requirements at each school. Changes in audition locations. All very important information to update as the audition cycle approaches. Did you find that the changes were more extensive than these types of things?</p>

<p>I wouldn’t say that it was drastic changes, and as I (and you) said, it didn’t change what my D prepared. She still needed 2 contrasting contemporary monologues and 1 classical monologue and 4-5 songs, either 16 or 32 bars, because of her specific combination of school choices. That really didn’t change.</p>

<p>And perusing all of that last year helped us to know that she would need all of those, so in that sense it wasn’t wasted effort.</p>

<p>What I meant was that copying and pasting all of that data into spreadsheets for each school was a waste of time because many schools did change their specific requirements. Most of those who changed things seem to be requiring FEWER items. I suspect this is a direct result of MORE candidates applying, so there is less time to spend with each candidate. </p>

<p>A few changed whether they wanted “Golden Age” songs vs. contemporary. It was actually kind of interesting to see. I wish I had kept a copy of the original spreadsheet just to remember how many schools did change things, and what those changes were.</p>

<p>One interesting note was that I think you can tell which schools place more emphasis on acting and which on voice by what they have cut out; a song or a monologue!</p>

<p>One other thing I noticed was that quite a few schools are having fewer audition dates this year. One, I remember had 2 in November, 2 in January and 2 in February last year, in addition to Unifieds. This year they’ve cut out November completely and only have 2 in January, 1 in February and I can’t determine if they’re going to Unifieds.</p>

<p>Academic requirements can change too. Two years ago IU had 3 years of math required. Sometime last year they snuck in a semester of trig on me and I didn’t discover that change until the school year had started.</p>

<p>Ooh, good call! I hadn’t been looking at that! </p>

<p>For us, Coastal Carolina is one of D’s top choices, and they already required 4 years of math, and I don’t think any school requires 4 years of science so I suspect she’ll be okay.</p>