Preparing to Apply - Information for H.S. Juniors and Seniors

<p>You can also see changes in the requirements for standardized testing. Not only do you have all of the artistic stuff to deal with, which itself is exponentially more time intensive than a “normal” academic application, but you must also attend to the academic aspects of applying. It’s an exhausting process.</p>

<p>And tracyvp, I know just what you mean about the time involved in filling out the spread sheets. Between the fall of my daughter’s junior year and May of her senior year, I had 8 different types of spread sheets and charts used to organize info at various steps and for different aspects of the process. And I’m a 2 finger typist! Designing and updating the docs became a second career.</p>

<p>Along those same lines, I’ve noticed that at least some schools are slow to update their academic stats on the College Board website. Since I know of several schools that were significantly more selective this admissions cycle than last, folks could mistakenly assume a school is an academic safety that no longer really is. Even our top state school was a lot more selective this year than last.</p>

<p>Hi Acoolmom3,</p>

<p>I know this is a late reply to your post but I saw where your son is applying to mt programs in Ohio. Even though it is in Indiana, Ball State University in Muncie, is an excellent program for musical theatre- academically and financially. My daughter received an academic scholarship there and it reduced the tuition to a very affordable in-state rate.
She is a sophomore BFA MT major now and is experiencing a top notch quality education at Ball State. I know how busy the audition year can get and this is really a great program for you to investigate! Hope that is helpful!</p>

<p>Bumping this thread for the new families.</p>

<p>Bumping again as the admissions news rush is slowing down and the junior year deer-in-headlights season is starting up. To all who’ve been admitted, congratulations–it’s been wonderful to follow your ups and downs and see where you may be heading in the fall. And to the HS class of 2013: this is an incredibly valuable thread for all MT and straight acting applicants. Let the wild rumpus start!</p>

<p>Bumping this up again after reading about rejections from kids who only applied to a few schools and are now facing disappointment. The info in this thread really got us going in the right direction 2 years ago!!! Wish we could lock this thread near the top!</p>

<p>I’d like to see that too, Christie2, and also wish it could be linked on the Theater/Drama forum. Is impossible a moderator will see the request and “pin” this thread…?</p>

<p>and referring folks to the college list post #2, which is the most complete one.</p>

<p>I wish that we had known someone who could have suggested the schools with the most potential scholarship awards available. It seems each school has a different combination of need based, talent based or academic based. Or not much at all. I feel we applied to many programs that will not be affordable at the end of the day. As these acceptances come in, we get our spirits up only to discover there will not be enough aid to attend. Even one of the big gun schools that are talked about here finally sent us an acceptance after a lengthy “on hold”. But it is very far out of reach for us as a family with other children to educate. Very disappointing.</p>

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<p>First off, CONGRATULATIONS on having choices. Many will rightly envy that!</p>

<p>It’s my understanding that when subsequent kids enroll in college your overall EFC won’t increase, so tuition is effectively halved for each student. We realized we’ll only be paying “extra” for D’s higher tuition for two years until her brother starts college, at which time we’d have been spending the higher amount even if D had gone with a cheaper school. So in some cases having more kids in college will effectively SAVE you money on tuition.</p>

<p>Also, the calculated EFC is at least theoretically indicative of what a family can afford. In our experience it’s often more than families WANT to spend, but once they start they realize it is actually more affordable than they’d first assumed. I know our family was surprised to realize how much $ was slipping through our fingers before we tightened our belts to pay high tuition. We have absolutely no regrets!</p>

<p>Best of luck in your upcoming decisions!</p>

<p>Whoops-when I edited the reply up above, it cut off my first response! What I meant to say is I have contacted the super moderator, College Mom, who you can find at the start of the MT colleges list post, and asked her to permanently move this thread to the top and lock it. If you agree, please let her know by emailing her, by clicking on her name. Her message box is full, so you can’t contact her that way. Perhaps that will get this kept towards the top! Until then, we’ll have to just keep bumping it!</p>

<p>It is never too early to begin doing research on Musical Theatre Programs and what they offer. We spent the entire summer before junior year researching ever school that met “minimum criteria” and then starting adding “must haves” and “would likes” which narrowed the list again.<br>
For my D, a key criterion was that her college NOT be a conservatory type and that it required General Education and had high academic standards for its admitted students, top 10% at a minimum. She felt she had worked too hard in high school to attend college alongside someone who did not, regardless of major.
The next most important criterion was which colleges give merit aid to non need-based families. We know our budget and some of the most highly regarded Musical Theatre schools had to be removed because this component didn’t fit…Carnegie Mellon, Northwestern, and University of Michigan fell by the wayside. Financial aid and scholarship information is readily available if you do some investigation it just takes a lot of time.
The list was made shorter by looking at opportunities to minor, honors programs, study abroad, sports, etc. We never limited any school strictly based on location or size until we visited and it either did or didn’t feel like a fit. The kids just know! My kid thought she wanted one thing until we actually began visiting campuses and then realized she could be happy in many different places.
After the truckloads of applications and auditions; the very careful investigation and planning; still the reality of what the programs will allow and what scholarships are actually offered is still not always as planned.
The list is automatically culled by which programs actually make an offer too. So, the more footwork you can do with asking questions and visiting campus will only benefit you in the long run. Good luck and enjoy the ride!</p>

<p>Agreed DaddyW, that figuring out the college audition process is challenging enough without also factoring in the availability of scholarships and grants. As a mom of two S’s wanting BFA MT programs, it was super challenging for us. We made it very clear early on that schools that could offer merit/talent aid were of highest priority. </p>

<p>Even though our coach cautioned early on that a few of their “dream schools” were notoriously skimpy on scholarships, I let S & S keep a couple on their lists “just in case” we got a miracle. (It didn’t happen.) We’re now in the home stretch and I will say that the “finalists” in the process are a couple of schools that were the most generous when it came to merit awards. </p>

<p>I realize you’re probably in the same boat, so I’ll offer this advice to others coming up for next year:</p>

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<li><p>Even though your kids are aiming for BFAs, don’t overlook academics. I used to joke with my kids about why they were taking “AP Calculus AB” when they wanted to go to “singing-acting-dancing” college, but ultimately their GPAs and academic rigor were the deciding factors in the merit aid they received. Encourage prep for SATs / ACTs, too. Thankfully my guys had good scores on both. Another bonus for merit awards is that most of the schools considered my S’s automatically; they didn’t have to fill out a myriad of additional applications. (Pay attention to deadlines, though. Sometimes your S or D must apply by a certain date in order to be considered for academic merit.)</p></li>
<li><p>Ask questions about scholarship money. Some schools tie scholarships to participation in honors classes, others don’t. Make sure your S or D understands his or her responsibilities to keeping grades up in order to keep scholarships from year to year. </p></li>
<li><p>Research, research, research. I know some here on CC frown on college visits before acceptances, but we chose to dive in with a spring break trip junior year. For us, it was a good experience that opened our eyes to a variety of schools and proved to S & S that some of the smaller campuses were great options. My first question for every campus tour was “do you offer merit or talent aid?” I knew we probably wouldn’t qualify for FAFSA/need-based aid, so merit awards were very important to us. In the end, and I don’t think this will surprise anyone, the schools that were the most generous were the private colleges in the small- to mid-sized range. They tend to be schools that can use their generous awards to attract bright students who could otherwise be admitted to highly selective universities based on their grades and test scores alone. We were very honest with our boys that we would value a smaller school that offered better aid, over a “big-name, A-list school” that offered no aid. S & S knew that going in, so there are no surprises now when we will have to say “no” to a couple of their acceptances. Ask lots of questions and don’t overlook a hidden gem just because it isn’t “Big Name U.” There are many wonderful up-and-coming programs out there. These boards are filled with lots of info. </p></li>
<li><p>Be realistic when it comes to what merit aid can and cannot do. Know that merit aid probably won’t be a full ride. At a couple of schools my S’s applied to, merit aid was capped at the price of tuition, so even at the top-level scholarship, we’d still be paying room, board, expenses, etc. (And again, those top-level scholarships are rare.) Also, very few schools let you combine academic and artistic scholarships. Some only let you take the larger of the two. Ask that question up front. Also be sure you know whether awards are renewable year-to-year, if students must reapply, etc. </p></li>
<li><p>Go for the dream schools. But remember that even the most generous merit scholarship (which is rare–have I stressed that enough?) may not reduce the price enough. Met a boy on Saturday who said he’d received a $20K scholarship to NYU Tisch, but he pointed out that even $66K minus $20K still leaves a $46K tuition bill that remains out of reach for his family. </p></li>
<li><p>Balance that list! Not just in terms of academic and artistic reach, fit and safeties, but also for financial fit. You simply must have a few schools on your list that you can afford. And those should probably be the first ones you add. For us, “affording” meant our two S’s being able to attend without taking on loans, but for every family that might be a different definition. Discuss your “budget” and select schools that are appropriate for your situation.</p></li>
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<p>I hope this helps. Feel free to message me for specifics on individual schools. I don’t have all the answers, but I’m happy to share what little knowledge we’ve gleaned along the way…</p>

<p>Please note that I’m not advocating visiting campuses in advance of acceptances. I realize that it is expensive and many families will not be able to afford this or fit it in with crazy school and performance schedules. Know that you can definitely find out about scholarships without having to visit – just email, call and scour websites. Best of luck to all the juniors coming up to this process. It’s an adventure. :)</p>

<p>Also, in our experience, scholarships are negotiable. Once you have received scholarship offers, do not be afraid to call and ask for more, but only if you are serious about accepting if they should up the offer to what you need. I don’t think merit scholarships are as negotiable as talent based ones, but we were able to get the already generous talent scholarship my D was offered upped. It made the difference in where she ended up so was definitely worth it! I would never ask for more money unless you are very, very serious about the program. In our case, we were not trying to be underhanded about the money, but were honest in that there was another top choice we were looking at and that it would eventually come down to the best financial deal for us. Make sure they know you are very serious about their program when you approach them.</p>

<p>The reason this thread is not pinned to the top of the forum is two fold. </p>

<p>One is that Roger Dooley, the forum administrator, discourages mods from pinning too many threads to the top of a forum and filling the first page with stuck threads, rather than new discussions. He prefers just a few pinned threads. Right now, this forum has 8 pinned threads, since I just pinned the final decision threads as well (which is more seasonal). </p>

<p>Two is that if you also look at the top of this forum, there are “Featured Discussions.” This thread about Preparing to Apply is already a featured discussion. Two featured discussions are viewable at the top but you can also click the link to more featured discussions and you will see that we have featured this thread as it is important and relevant in each year’s admissions cycle. So, it is featured already without being pinned. </p>

<p>Perhaps when the decisions threads run their course, those can be unpinned and this discussion here can be pinned, which will be at a critical time of year as seniors will begin their process in earnest.</p>

<p>Thank you, College Mom! We all appreciate how much time you take to moderate this very important forum!</p>

<p>Don’t know if this is still bumpable, but I don’t want folks to miss it!</p>

<p>Another bump, just to keep it on the first page for current juniors and parents.</p>

<p>As I once again hear of MT applicants who were surprised and dissatisfied with the results of their audition process, I want to again urge h.s. juniors and families to consider using professional audition coaching to prepare their students for MT college auditions. The process has become so competitive, that just like for top athletes, students who are the best prepared for the process, no matter their talent, are the ones who will rise to the top. In many cities you can find coaching for song choice and prep, and monologue choice and prep by contacting professional theaters in your area. Just make sure that the coaches understand that the college audition process and expectations are very different from the usual stage audition process and expectations. If you do not have these resources, I recommend you find the threads in this forum that discuss coaching resources. Personally, I would highly recommend MTCA (Musical Theatre College Auditions). They have been coaching for over 20 years, and their students consistently make it into the top programs in the country, and usually have a number to choose from. Using SKYPE (which we did from Oregon) or meeting personally in NYC, they will assist you in finding songs and monologues that best fit you and are not overdone, coach you in presenting your choices using skills colleges are looking for, and can provide legit or mix/belt voice instruction to augment your skill base. If you are close to NYC, they also provide coaching for the dance portion and a multitude of workshops to help you learn how dance auditions work. They also provide help in coordinating college lists to fit your talents, opportunities in NYC and California for ‘mock’ auditions prior to college ones, and supply a presence at Unifieds, for support, further coaching, and parent angst! Both my daughter and I could have never made it through the process without them, and continue to feel we are part of the MTCA family! If you would like further information or to check out their website (soon to have the success of this year’s class reported!) please personal message or email me, and I would be glad to help you out. Believe me, SKYPE works beautifully for this process and can be used all over the world! Costs are highly competitive with those of everyday voice lessons. We are done with this process (my daughter is at school in NYC) but I feel strongly that students and parents need to be aware of how difficult it can be and have the resources available to deal with it. Juniors, RIGHT NOW is the time to start coaching!
Good luck to all!</p>