<p>Why are the Asian populations at elite universities (with the exception of schools like MIT) dominated by US born/raised Asian-Americans from upper-middle class backgrounds?</p>
<p>It’s humorous to see people argue that the admission rate for Asian applicants are lower since they aren’t “well-rounded” applicants and at the same justify higher admission rates for URMs by taking into account their hardships (the same hardships, or worse, that certain Asian applicants endure, who, otherwise, get penalized for not having as high of scores as their other Asian applicant peers).</p>
<p>Btw, I’m all in favor of admitting URMs from disadvantaged backgrounds.</p>
<p>So what is the issue? If you look at the white population at elite universities, it is dominated by students of upper-middle class background. Why should it be different for Asian-Americans, who, as some posters have argued, may have ancestors who came here a long time ago?</p>
<p>As for new immigrants, their background is supposed to be taken into account. </p>
<p>I don’t see how either of this constitutes discrimination.</p>
<p>I said: “People complain about few blacks being drafted at the QB position, yet there seems to be no shouting about the small amount (if any?) of black kickers. Is this a key position in football? Let’s ask Adam Vinitieri, whom, as I recall, sent more than one NFL team to the playoffs/Super Bowl.”</p>
<p>k&s said: “Let’s get real here. There aren’t many black kickers b/c black athletes can’t physically play that position, they just choose not to (a good no. do kick in HS where players play multiple postions, however, beyond HS where they have to specialize on a position, better athletes gravitate to the more exciting and higher paying positions).”</p>
<p>With all due respect, if that isn’t stereotyping, then I don’t know what is. They “choose” not to be a place kicker? Other positions are “more exciting and higher paying?” So, you’re saying that black athletes are only after the “flashy” and “high paying” positions?</p>
<p>Go ask black Coach Dungy if he didn’t pay a lot for a white place kicker (stealing him from another multi-Super Bowl winning team) who was just as key to sending the Colts to the playoffs as anybody on that team.</p>
<p>My point? Nothing, really. I just get sick and tired of people referring to someone’s race first and foremost, concentrating on it rather than the individual’s accomplishments.</p>
<p>When you judge different groups based on different criteria - it’s discrimination.</p>
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<p>No it’s not - since pretty much ALL athletes are after the more “flashy” and “high paying” positions (kickers are not really treated by their teammates as equals).</p>
<p>Otoh, how many FB players do you think would not want to play the glamour position of QB? And why has it taken so long for blacks to start playing the position in any significant nos?</p>
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<p>That’s one example (kickers are actually undervalued for the most part). </p>
<p>How many kickers do you think get drafted in the 1st 3 rounds of the NFL draft? Not many.</p>
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<p>I agree that the press went way overboard with the whole “black coaches in the Super Bowl” thing - but the reason why it was such a big deal is due to historical biases (just as there was notoriety with Sandra Day O’Connor being the 1st female Sup. Ct. Justice, Albright being the 1st female Sec. of State
and Pelosi being the 1st female Speaker).</p>
<p>Which different criteria? Immigrants’ backgrounds are taken into account. Is that discrimination? Upper-middle class Asians are admitted in proportions well above their percentage in the general population. Is that discrimination?</p>
I hate to turn this into a football thread, but I want to respond to this. Blacks of west African origin are simply faster than any other racial/ethnic group. If you look at the 100meter dash in the Olympics, the 40 fastest runners, drawn from all over the world, are ALL blacks of West African ancestry. This is remarkable. </p>
<p>Now take a fast black kid on a Pop Warner squad. With the kind of speed that can just blow by everyone else. It doesn’t matter if he has the brains of an Einstein, the coach will use him as a receiver. Even if he begs to be QB. You just can’t coach that kind of speed. But you can coach the mechanics needed for a QB. In essence, the super fast kid’s amazing speed prevented him from a chance to be developed as a QB. That’s changing. But not quickly enough, because we’re not suposed to notice that black QBs often bring their extraordinary running speed to their bag of QB tricks.</p>
<p>Kickers? It’s not a spot where you usually find those long, slender shin-boned athletes. Therefore, fewer blacks. Sometimes strong soccer players are “stolen” by the football coach & put to use as a kicker. Soccer is just not as popular among American blacks as other sports.</p>