Very dramatic messaging about one thing that has nothing to do with another.
Sacrifice can be measured by many means. The ultimate sacrifice of troops is very real and highly respected, but nothing to do with this conversation.
It is not rational to ignore the mental and social impact on our youth, and only look to the mortality among the elderly. There is strong evidence of the widespread impact on school children and young adults. That’s a lot of “little brats”, of which one spoke up on Georgia.
But as a frequent competitor myself, all athletes in the areas that I compete in, here in CA, operate in the same conditions with the same requirements.
If these athletes are used to adjusting to existing conditions, then this current Covid environment is simply one more to add to the pile of changing with environment around you.
Yes, we have a motto in my discipline. It’s not “suck it up,” though. It’s right on the wall in big letters. “Embrace the suck.”
Covid sucks. Wearing a mask sucks. The last 1 1/2 years sucks.
Do you view these adverse effects to be as impactful as segregation was on black people or as consequential as Pre revolution colonial rule was on our countries founders? Was her mask oppression so bad that she had legitimacy in protesting at the potential expense of the health and well being of her professor?
You have acknowledged the professor was merely looking to mitigate a legitimate health concern yet suggested the student had the moral high ground by “protesting” like Rosa Parks and or revolting like our forefathers at the Boston tea party.
Not nearly as dramatic as calling wearing masks and staying at home “sacrificing their lives”.
It has everything to do - when you use “sacrifice”, you need to understand what that term means. It’s like using “crippling pain” when talking about a pin prick.
Fallacies in this statement:
False dichotomy - “either/or” fallacy.
False equivalency - claiming that requiring kids to wear masks is somehow “ignoring the mental and social impact”
In that class, there was only one self-centered spoiled brat. Luckily, Gen-Zs tend to care about others a lot more than their parents do. They may forget to wear a mask when they go out drinking and carousing, but the vast majority will wear a mask if they are asked to do so, especially if they understand that it helps protect their instructors and vulnerable students.
I mentioned this already today in the 2021 Parent thread, but D18 attends UMichigan and attended her first class this morning. A math class with about 15-20 students, all wearing masks, which are mandatory. No problems to report.
Half of my daughter’s professors this year are over age 75, and she recognizes what a favor they are doing by teaching her. They easily could retire and rest upon their reputations; they prefer to impart their wisdom directly in person to teens. In doing so, she has been privileged to receive instruction from some renowned academics who share their enthusiasm for the subject. Unfortunately for these Georgia students, they will miss that, due to one selfish young woman. How ignorant that student must be not to recognize that she is the loser in the battle.
From Websters…please see 3a and 3b
1 : an act of offering to a deity something precious especially : the killing of a victim on an altar. 2 : something offered in sacrifice. 3a : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else. b : something given up or lost the sacrifices made by parents.
Thanks all, I’m done with what seems to be more debate and attempts at character assassination. I’ll bow out of the conversation. Enjoy!
Not trying to be snarky but what makes being in a restaurant, or in a train safer than in a classroom? In a restaurant - people are unmasked most of the time. You state that being in a classroom is totally different, but how specifically?
Aside from the “you should care for the health of your elders” issue…
Over the years, my kids had many teachers who imposed rules or had assignments they (and sometimes even I) thought were “stupid” or “worthless.” But I told them it was their classroom, their rules. As long as it wasn’t illegal/immoral, you follow their rules. Suck it up, do what’s expected of you, and after a semester/year you move on.
The professor had a no mask, no class rule. I would fully expect my kids to comply. If for some reason, it really did impact their health, I would expect them to try for the first day and then meet with the professor privately to discuss alternatives. Perhaps she could have participated remotely or perhaps she could have volunteered to test before every class. I would be horrified if she was my kid.
Longer period of time, interacting with more kids (I try to help them all individually, well within 12 inches of each other if I’m looking at work), and a lot of talking going on.
In restaurants, we choose times when they aren’t crowded (or get Take Out), are much farther away from those we aren’t related to, including the wait staff, and can leave if we feel something isn’t right (someone coughing or whatever).
Both are risky, but even pre-Covid, I was far more likely to get a cold in a classroom at school than doing anything outside of it.
ETA We also didn’t eat indoors at all pre-vax and we don’t do it for a good number of days prior to going to FIL’s plus at my particular school, masks are optional and social distancing isn’t a thing this year.
That’s not on the lists. But obvious. If you have a sick person in the house, etc.
I’m no Dr…yes you are…everything I’ve read is it’s about the air circulation hence ourdoor dining is considered much safer.
I travel for work. I never eat inside even if empty. If raining I eat in the car or hotel. So far so good. Maybe lucky. I also use a kn95 with no issue.
I visit car dealers. Most don’t mask. Most I call on have had many have the infection. I’m hoping to avoid.
No one truly knows what’s right but I’d like to follow the science…at least the science presented.
The sad part is no one asked for this. We are supposed to be one people. Yet we’ve let this wedge in between us.
