<p>Your statements showed a lack of understanding of wholistic medicine. I stand by that. It’s ok if you’re not into wholistic medicine, but it’s not ok, imo, for you to criticize alternative therapies you clearly are not educated about.</p>
<p>PEACE</p>
<p>nite nite</p>
<p>Excuse me-- where exactly was I mocking?? I did laugh out loud at coureurs retort. You gotta admit- it was priceless! I said when I was being flippant, and if your last post was a sort of apology for accusing me of all sorts of stuff I didn’t do (the only thing I did do was be totally confused by your website vs book links and references-- not my fault, and that reference to Iraq was-- well… HUH???) than your apology is accepted.</p>
<p>Well if you are admitting that your confusion about the website prompted your biased and disrespectful remarks, then fine, I accept your apology.</p>
<p>OK, now we’re even.</p>
<p>PEACE</p>
<p>And I stand by my suggestion that you get an attitude adjustment from your friendly chiropractor. It is simply bad form to tell people what they do and do not understand. remind me sometime to tell you the outrageous crappola a vet wanted me to do with my dog. It had something to do with puttinghim in a metal cage and having his electric impulses sent via telephone to someone in Calif (only in Calif!!) who could diagnose his problems and recommend a very expensive formulation of weird powdered junk (sounded like eye of newt witch potion) based on their muscle response at the other end of the phone. I didnt know whether to laugh or cry. And you wonder why some people are skeptical about some alternative medicines. Sheesh. No, double sheesh.</p>
<p>I can’t believe you are telling me that I need an attitude adjustment! Look in a mirrior, ok? I invite you to go back and read your own posts, and pretend you don’t know who wrote them. You were the first to use a mocking tone. I am guilty of being defensive - I admit that - but it was in response to your ridicule.</p>
<p>I stand by my statement that you don’t understand the basic principles of wholistic medicine. No offense intended, but it’s clearly true based on your comments. Hey, it’s ok; I don’t know anything about surgery. It’s ok, really. But I don’t make cracks about surgical techniques when I clearly know nothing about them.</p>
<p>And, for the record, I am in complete agreement about the misuse of muscle testing. I find the practitioners who try to prescribe treatment plans over the phone based on pulling on their own arms or pinkies, reprehensible. Unfortunately, they give the reputable practitioners a bad name.</p>
<p>Now that we actually agree on something, how about we end this on a positive note, ok?</p>
<p>I think you are confusing my comments with those made by others. Coureur summed it up best. I agreed with his comments.</p>
<p>Nope, it was you who made the reflexology comment. I just checked. post #60.</p>
<p>Fine-- for the umpteenth time, I acknowledged when I was being flippant. I was responding to that ridiculous New Zealand homeopathic site,which it seemed to me you were citing as legit., yet you mocked the quackwatch site. When you posted the ladys book on Amazon, I read her other books, and found some real doozies!! There are others that were on wild topics. Yes, admittedly I had some fun with it. It was more fun that trying to get my s to clean his room.</p>
<p>For the HUNDREDTH TIME I TOLD you I said that tongue in cheek. What about it was directed at you?? Why are you personalizing that??</p>
<p>It was a humorous comment to mkm. Why is it causing you to get your panties in a wad???</p>
<p>Fine. You were being flippant. I forgive you, ok? But I am just explaining the basis for my statement that you don’t understand the premise of wholistic medicine. If you did, you would know that reflexology is not about stuff on the bottom of your feet causing illness.</p>
<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexology[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexology</a> Whats your issue with the joke about reflexology? ( I give you the wikipedia definition so I am not accused again of being an ingoramous). Why in tarnation are you up in arms about that?? Sheesh again. Agreed- you ARE being defensive.</p>
<p>I never said it CAUSED illness. Was I supposed to explain,by making a funny, the exact supposed mechanism of reflexology?? Next time I’ll make a joke using phrenology. Would that make you happier??</p>
<p>Wholistic medicine cannot be reduced to symptoms and treatments. It works on a basis of all the parts working together. It’s just totally different from allopathic medicine.</p>
<p>If I’m being overly defensive, then I apologize. This is not the first time people have sneered at comments I made regarding alternative medicine. I just don’t like to see bias. My whole objective was to point out that, just as there are both ‘pros and cons’ (as the title of this thread points out) to chiropractic, so too are there ‘pros and cons’ to allopathic medicine. Each has its place. Too often, the conventional practitioners (who are the majority) automatically scoff at anything that is remotely alternative.</p>
<p>I can understand you not understanding something like homeopathy…but chiropractic? To imply that chiropractic is quackery is really behind the times.</p>
<p>Also, my opinon of quackwatch is about as low as your opinion of that herb site. To say that it’s biased is the understatement of the year!</p>
<p>Look, we agree about the muscle testing. Let’s leave it at that, ok?</p>
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<p>It’s simply an inaccurate statement, showing ignorance of reflexology. Reread the wicki article, and research the topic, and you’ll see what I mean. Again, no offense.</p>
<p>btw, to say that one is ignorant of a particular topic does not mean they are an ‘ignoramous.’ I am not an ignoramous but I admit to complete ignorance of surgical techniques, something you are probably knowledgeable about. We’re not all knowledgeable in all areas, and it should not demean us to admit that.</p>
<p>Now you say it was just a joke. If I was being too defensive, then I apologize. But please try to understand the context in which I read that post. In conjunction with your overall tone, and mockery of the medical statistics (which you later cleared up by explaining your confusion of the website, but at the time how was I to know that) your comments overall came across as scoffing and closed-minded.</p>
<p>OK, now I really DO have to go.</p>
<p>nite</p>
<p>Finally-- we agree. I could hardly keep a straight face when they did that stuff with my dod. I stupidly paid for the first appt with the vet, but said NO WAY to the expensive powdered, smelly concoction of powdered body parts he tried to sell me for some ridiculous amount of money.</p>
<p>Our posts are crossing so the responses arent matching up correctly–its looking like we are responding to posts other than what we are. As for the definition of reflexology- I do inderstand its principal- sorry if I didnt define it in a silly post to your satisfaction. This hardly seems to be the issue. I was making a joke to mkm. To then rail me and accuse me of having no understanding of alternative medicine and of being unprofessional-- thats just over the line. Way over the line, IMO. So is saying I have an ignorance of the issue. In fact, that very statement can be considered ignorant. Doesnt feel very nice,does it? Truth be told ,I’d bet we agree on much more about this stuff than this thread would show. When my s lost a part of a finger, I asked about leeches to help with the microvascular circulation. They looked at me like I was an idiot. The surgical attempt to save the finger part failed. Leeches might have worked. Surgery didnt.</p>
<p>I don’t know what the concoctions were, but it’s the methodology I have a problem with. Too many factors can affect the muscles so muscle testing by proxy is ridiculous. I once met some people who muscle test on every little thing, like deciding whether they wanted to go to the park or to the beach. It was ridiculous. Chiropractors can use muscle testing appropriately, to see if a muscle in the leg is weak, for example, but to muscle test for supplements on someone else is taking the idea way too far and is baseless. I’ve had direct experience with it and can easily prove the fallacy of the technique, just by affecting the outcome with thought. Now THAT has a basis in fact - studies have shown that the brain registers imagination (visualization) the same way as actual memory. So visualizing something can affect the muscles. That’s why it’s not something you can do for someone else, even a dog, since you cannot control the other person’s thoughts.</p>
<p>As much as I’d like to continue our stimulating discussion, I have to go call back my son who is in college. Once again, sorry for any misunderstanding, defensiveness, or jumping to conclusions on my part. I hope that you might keep an open mind about alternative therapies in the future, and I will try to be less defensive.</p>
<p>There is a lot of total and complete BS out there that people pass off as “fact” and then claim to be able to cure all sorts of stuff that is simply baseless and lacking in evidence as to its efficacy. All I did when I came to this thread was to suggest that there were down sides to chiropractic. Some people think they (DCs) walk on water. Fine. And some DCs are probably good at what they do, as long as they stay within the scope of their expertise. But it is a field with a lot of abuse, as you yourself stated. I was just trying to responding to the OP-- buyer beware.</p>
<p>Posting articles about the problems with other forms of healthcare doesnt do squat to provide evidence as to the efficacy of chiropractic. I have seen some serious abuse in chiropractic. One took a kickback from an attorney after they got a big settlement based on trumped up claims of soft tissue injury . the attorney sent the chiropractor on a ski trip toVail as a thank you! Thats downright unethical. Slimy. Yuk. Wrong. So, if I presented a different perspective because I have seen the fraud of which you speak, well, excuuuse me. Just dont shoot the messsenger.</p>
<p>Just catching up on some of the cross posts. I accept your apology, but for the record, saying someone is “ignorant” or “unprofessional” IS offensive. You might want to think about the words you choose, especially when you are commenting on the words used/chosen by others. Just some friendly feedback. Dont say all sorts of insulting stuff to someone and then try to negate it by saying “no offense”. That doesnt work.<br>
It is waay late. Can’t wait too see the comments this little chat gets in the morning when the posters awaken and catch up on the thread. Hope it wont be too hard to follow, with all the cross posting. Wouldnt want any further misunderstanding on this thread,would we? 
And by the way, do you think I am a surgeon??Thats totally incorrect.</p>