**PSAT Discussion Thread 2015**

@mnpap29. Here is a section from the CB stating when the SAT should have been taken. The years may be a little off but the pattern is recognizable.

“Take the SAT® and earn scores that confi rm your 2014 PSAT/NMSQT performance. You must take (or
have taken) a national administration of the SAT between October 2013 and December 2015. Also, it
is your responsibility to fi le a request with the College Board SAT Program to have an offi cial report
of your SAT scores sent to NMSC (code 0085). See page 2 of this document for detailed information
about authorized SAT administrations and score reporting.”

Its on the CB website.

Sophomore (2014), Junior (2015), Change
231, 250, +19
200, 221, +21
178, 214, +36
194, 209, +15

Adding for a friend also.
Sophomore (2014), Junior (2015), Change
231, 250, +19
200, 221, +21
178, 214, +36
194, 209, +15
200, 208, +8

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/19173991/#Comment_19173991
My post on percentiles

Thanks @mtrosemom. I see from another of your posts that your S got a 218 as opposed to 118.

@payn4ward: gosh – I’m pathetic – you’re right. I meant 225. Ugh. Messing up my own data collection. Good thing it was my D taking the test and not me :slight_smile:

Others: See post #3814 for methodology. Feel free to update the tally.

Sophomore (2014), Junior (2015), Change
231, 225, -6
200, 221, +21
178, 214, +36
191, 218, +27
119, 119, +0

250? Isn’t the highest NMSQ SI 3823 = 228? Or am I missing something in the calculation?

And I looked at post 3814 - but I have the CB page up and it says 38 is the maximum per category. Every category is 8 to 38.

@foosondaughter 2014 (199); 2015 (216) change= +17

@foosondaughter
2014 187
2015 212

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still freaking out when I see overall scores only 20 points above mine but they are 5 points above my SI. Math strong…missed a few in reading, ugh.
:-B

And FWIW, my oldest scored 177 in 10th grade, and on the new PSAT, my next scored 179 for the SI in 10th grade. There is no way on this Earth my next is near the ability level of my oldest (oldest was in multiple AP and honors, next is not) so I am very skeptical at how these scores will relate to the old scores.

@rhandco: Yes – still embarrassed by my original post.
My D got 38 (CR), 37 (W), 37.5 (M)

Consolidating results, with poster:

Sophomore (2014), Junior (2015), Change, Poster
231, 225, -6, @foosondaughter
200, 221, +21, @merething
178, 214, +36, @icantsleep
191, 218, +27, @mtrosemom
119, 119, +0, @mtrosemom
194, 209, +15, @Pannaga
200, 208, +8, @Pannaga
199, 216, +17, @kikidee9
187, 212, +25, @phoenixmomof2

Sophomore 206 Junior 218 + 12

Sophomore 193 Junior 218 +25

So technically:
Now:
minimum = 48 points

maximum = 228 points

Before:
minimum = 60 points
maximum = 240 points

And as I think was mentioned earlier, the range is still 180 difference between low and high.

For @foosondaughter, yours would have been 9 from the top, and now is only 3 from the top (not too much room at the top!!!). That is therefore +6 not -6, when we look at the range and expect CB to be normalizing exactly as before…

Any stagnation is technically an increase of 12 points…

(all my conjecture, but I pulled up my oldest’s PSAT scores just to check the ranges)

Sophomore 211, Junior 213 +2

An oops…the 119 is a 219 for 2014 and 2015. Blah

Sophomore (2014), Junior (2015), Change, Poster
231, 225, -6, foosondaughter
200, 221, +21, merething
178, 214, +36, icantsleep
191, 218, +27, mtrosemom
219, 219, +0, mtrosemom
194, 209, +15, Pannaga
200, 208, +8, Pannaga
199, 216, +17, kikidee9
187, 212, +25, phoenixmomof2

Consolidating results, with poster:

Sophomore (2014), Junior (2015), Change, Poster
231, 225, -6, @foosondaughter
200, 221, +21, @merething
178, 214, +36, @icantsleep
191, 218, +27, @mtrosemom
119, 119, +0, @mtrosemom
194, 209, +15, @Pannaga
200, 208, +8, @Pannaga
199, 216, +17, @kikidee9
187, 212, +25, @phoenixmomof2
206, 281, +12, @CA1543

**Methodology/b:

Just as a experiment, I’d like to try a very different, independent mechanism of estimating the cutoffs. Many students who took the PSAT as a junior also took it as a sophomore. As it turns out, the relationship between sophomore and junior scores has been studied (see https://research.collegeboard.org/sites/default/files/publications/2012/7/researchnote-2010-41-score-change-2007-psat.pdf), and sophomore-to-junior scores are highly correlated, with scores generally showing just a slight 3-4 point increase on average per section (see Table 2 on page 11 in that document). However, for sophomores who already had high scores (such as those who are in the range of NMSF), this increase is actually reduced or even negative (both because of limited headroom and “regression to the mean”). See Figure 4 on page 10 of the document how the increase from sophomore to juniors scores is equal to zero for PSAT scores around 70 – which happens to correspond to the region we are most concerned with in estimating the cutoff.

My hypothesis, then, is simple. If people are willing to share sophomore and junior scores, we can estimate the deviation between the old test and the new test. The average difference could then be applied to the old cutoffs to estimate the new cutoffs. To keep it simple, I think it is reasonable to use just the selection index rather than look at the individual breakouts. I figure we’ll need at least 30 or so scores before we have meaningful data.

2014: 190
2015: 215
+25

2014 206 2015 216 +6

Updating consolidated results. Removing links to posters.

Sophomore (2014), Junior (2015), Change, Poster
231, 225, -6, foosondaughter
200, 221, +21, merething
178, 214, +36, icantsleep
191, 218, +27, mtrosemom
219, 219, +0, mtrosemom
194, 209, +15, Pannaga
200, 208, +8, Pannaga
199, 216, +17, kikidee9
187, 212, +25, phoenixmomof2
206, 281, +12, CA1543
193, 218, +25, knowledgeless
211, 213, +2, Stlmo62
190, 215, +25, engineur