Purdue vs. Stony Brook

Good responses. To be clear: UMass astronomy and physics are not ranked higher than Stony Brook; it’s the opposite. And Stony Brook physics is ranked much higher than UMass. This should not be underestimated, because all of astronomy will have at least some basis in physics. Also take note of at least basic math sequences for astronomy: most serious astronomy requires calculation. S B in physics and math are both ranked in the 20’s – a very impressive showing considering the competition (just look at the other schools in that range for those departments, and you’ll get a prelude of where you could end up for grad school). UMass ranked 50-60 for physics and math, which basically indicates it’s a serious institution, but not really in the top ranks for graduate and hiring.

The honors program at either institution makes a difference in education in general – not necessarily specifically, save for usually requiring a thesis / research, which you can do without honors if you take the steps yourself. In other words, you are certainly not precluded from doing advanced work, having a mentor, thesis, research, internship etc. in the natural sciences at S B or other institutions – without honors – *if the student makes the effort to develop relationships with faculty, excels in her classes, etc.

My experience with S B natural sciences is that if you are a good student, it is the department, not the honors program, that will support you. You will be recognized and cultivated in their excellent departments if you make the effort to excel yourself. The professors there are human beings, and they recognize serious undergrads and will generally try to help them if they are considering graduate placement. Science departments at S B will have picnics, events, demos, research opportunities that invite undergrads, grads and faculty to get together, mingle, talk, have fun, and support each other.

UMass may have some of these, but in my estimation (and hey, MYOS and I finally agree!), honors would be more useful at UMass because it is a larger, potentially less collegial atmosphere. Even UMass should have departmental events; it’s a major research institution. I just don’t think individual natural sciences will feel as integrated, or perhaps as talented, as at S B (and here I’m referring more to peer students, not to faculty – all faculty will have PhD’s, and most performing research).

This is not to dismiss S B’s other perks, such as their honors programs, either. Many of the honors activities at both institutions will foster closer relationships, and enrich the academic experience. Yet they are not necessarily going to increase the potential of a specific department – that will vary.

If you scored a 2100+ on the SAT, but maybe your grades weren’t as high as they could have been, usually indicates that you have some good, raw intelligence, and maybe you didn’t apply yourself in your classes quite as much as you could have. In this case, you probably want the most challenging program available, and an opportunity to apply yourslef in college.

I like the WISE idea for her too, MYOS. I’m going out on a limb here writing all of this, because I believe OP is committed to her undergrad-grad track, and coming from abroad. Being focused like this at a young age deserves taking advantage of the resources available in this country, and I’ll stand firm with S B and possible UW-Seattle, though I still kind of prefer S B due to cost and size issues.

While it would be great if I had got into an honors program at Stony Brook, I didn’t apply during admissions, mostly because of GPA. Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think it’s possible to apply for honors once you’ve been accepted.

You may still apply for honors in the major, in both astronomy, and for physics if you wish, under the following from the website:

“The following majors offer honors programs to which students can gain admission after enrolling at the University:”
http://www.stonybrook.edu/ugadmissions/newhonors/majors.shtml

You may also try – if you’re really interested – to contact Stony Brook directly, to see if you may submit materials late and still be considered for the honors college, scholars, and WISE** [see below; I think this may be a good fit for you]. MYOS posted the links to those programs above. If you chose to do this, I would explain precisely that you are an international student, and you didn’t understand everything that was possible. Therefore, you request an extension and will submit everything a.s.a.p. It may work. There is also a possibility they may consider you, but not as a first priority; there is also the possibility (I simply don’t know) that they could tell you, so long as you get good grades freshman year, you may be accepted after one or two semesters.

**I would specifically try the late submission query with WISE, because that is a special sub-unit, and there is the possibility they may be more lenient because they really want you to participate as a woman in STEM fields, and an international.

It may work, and may not; however, you should still not be locked out of all honors opportunities, per the honors in the major after enrolling at Stony Brook.

You may also, at your discretion, state that Stony Brook is your first choice as an international student, but another school has given you a counter-offer of their honors program after the SB honors deadline passed. This reasoning may also give you more leverage for the late submission, but you don’t have to go this route (e.g., applying a bit of pressure on S B, but it may truthfully be the case here, from what you’ve described).

I should also clarify my last post re: MYOS’ post. He is correct about the exclusive honors college and its overall enrichment in the liberal arts and sciences; however, what I am saying also holds for the individual major. In this case of the major, you should be able to apply for honors in astronomy after you choose to enroll. It is this latter departmental emphasis which I feel would help you more in your graduate admissions for astronomy / astrophysics.

Hey!
Thanks a lot. I just contacted the astronomy coordinator about the majors with honors component. I’m hoping to hear back soon.

As a person that lives in the town next to Stony Brook, and knows about the SUNYs I can tell you I had no clue that UMass Amherst was ranked about SBU at all. SBU has a great reputation and is highly regarded in many fields, especially the sciences. They have an incredible teaching hospital on campus that many of us in the county utilize. There are very, very bright students there (and I’m sure some less so).

Due to the hospital and staff at the univ, there are many people of different ethnic backgrounds there. Diverse student population as well. Not sure if you care, but there are 2 Indian restaurants not far from campus. One is fantastic!!

Good luck to you at either UMass or SBU.

COA at SBU, with tuition, room and board and fees is not $40 but $33.

Went back and reread your original post. Purdue is a great, great school by the way.

I guess it would be nice to have Indian occasionally. From what I’ve seen so far, I think I will choose SBU.
I’m actually not inclined to go to Purdue because they don’t have BS Astronomy.
Cost of attendance for international is 40,650. http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/visa/current_students/costs.html

Honors College or WISE would offer benefits beyond the Honors in the major. Your first two years, you’ll mostly be taking classes outside your major, and by being in the Honors College, you’d be in smaller, more interactive classes.
(Keep in mind that 3/4th of your classes your first year, and 2/3 total, will NOT be in your major, so the best experience you can get both in your major and in your other classes would certainly make a difference).
In short, BOTH would be good, but honors in the major only applies your 3rd and 4th year, whereas Honors or WISE would start right away.

I strongly recommend you email WISE, as the program is supportive and the young women all enthusiastic about the sciences. It’d be a fantastic community for someone who plans on going to graduate school.

Considering the Honors programs, you have a foreign GPA, which may not be all that accurate compared to American GPAs; the fact you scored very high on the SAT, when you took it in a foreign language, should help the Honors committee make a decision. Email them and highlight these two points, as well as your motivation. As Anhydrite said, indicate that being international, you didn’t realize what the programs were or that you were supposed to apply, but ask whether they’d be willing to consider you?