Quadruplets Admitted to Yale

[ChoklitRain]

<p>^ you’re not misunderstanding it. your bro will give you a boost in admissions.</p>

[lmpw]

<p>DiamondT’s comments are the most mature and logical. Pigs at Sea and Mifune actually need to seek professional help. This topic clearly has pushed them over the edge. I frankly can’t see Pig at Sea at any competitive college based on his attitude and arrogance. He clearly doesn’t understand the admissions process (as noted by DiamondT) as well as many other teenagers. This isn’t Japan or China were everything is based on the highest scores. American institutions use many variables. There are lots of books now on the admissions process. Having a high SAT score is not a big deal (even a perfect scores). Being a valedictorian is not a big deal. Many students with perfect scores, tons of accomplishments, etc. are denied admissions to most highly selective schools. Most applicants KNOW this. Apparenly, pig at sea didn’t get the memo on this. This entire thread is pretty absurb.</p>

[Stupefy]

<p>we REALLY need to let this thread die</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

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Pigs…have you been admitted anywhere yet? I’m too lazy to look past the first page of your recent posts and didn’t see it. Because, wherever it is…I’m going to pray my child is admitted there too so we can creep on you because YOU CRACK ME UP and you are the type student with which my D would LOVE to spend 4 years. 800 in writing? Twice? Yeah, I get that. (12 in all your essays too, right?).

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<p>aww somebodyyyy loves meeee!!!=]=]=]</p>

[fuzzyfirebunny]

<p>I agree with Stupefy.</p>

<p>and pigs, I love you. just sayin’
i also find it kind of funny how everyone just assumes you’re a guy XD</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>yay!!^
yepp i guess my username is very MASCULINE</p>

<p>fear me ccers, for i am the mighty aquaporcine!!</p>

[Stupefy]

<p>^yeah where the EFF did you come up with that username. real turn off. BAHAHAAH ;)</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>i’mmma like da barrack.either love me or HATE MEE!!</p>

[dillbilly123]

<p>i actually hate the barrack. so you’re nothing like him haha</p>

[mifune]

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Based on the above statement, I supposed asserting that socioeconomic status should be considered in admission, is conceding to the fact that the poor are superior, as well. It only follows that special consideration equals superiority!</p>

<p>Do you see just how flawed your reasoning is?

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<p>Support of socioeconomic affirmative action is in no way supporting the superiority of those with lower incomes. Socioeconomic status is an actual quantitative measure of one’s overall resources and provides an objective means for measuring the context in which our accomplishments and successes were attained. A racially-based paradigm, on the contrary, is a subjective means of measuring a disadvantaged background and race does not directly constitute a quality that impedes one’s ability to obtain meritorious status in one’s activities.</p>

[mifune]

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Pigs at Sea and Mifune actually need to seek professional help.

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<p>What else can supporters of preferential treatment do than resort to ad hominems? You all have no ethical or moral backing and refuse to see the implicit racism in such a policy that is concealed due to its euphemistic label.</p>

[mifune]

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Quote:
NearL, earlier you had commented on how I am blind to my privileged nature because I happen to be of Caucasian descent. In fact, those of minority groups have the advantage in our society.
You’ve destroyed any legitimacy you may have had with this statement.

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<p>I have not destroyed anything. Is this not a discussion due to the present scenario that ethnic groups are treated unequally due to past indiscretions and current privileges that are bestowed upon those of non-Caucasian and non-Asian descent?</p>

[mifune]

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Punish? Giving preference to minorities, while still admitting a huge majority of white students is punishing whites? The only people being punished are Asians, who would overwhelm America’s elite universities if they were put in the same pool as whites. </p>

<p>You may not hold any responsibility for “the sins of previous generations”, but many minorities bear the costs.

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<p>Even if some minority families have existed in squalor for several generations due to previous ethical misconduct, young Caucasian individuals such as myself need not be discriminated against to resolve past misfortunes through any type of process fundamentally based on merit. The sheer fact that minorities receive admission boosts automatically places us at a disadvantage. Those that argue that minorities do not take the spots of more qualified whites and Asians are completely incorrect. Class sizes are not boundless; thus, it is quite inevitable that those who have better distinguished themselves through objective and subjective standards will be excluded from incoming classes and jobs in the marketplace.</p>

<p>In addition, I find it quite peculiar that despite the thorough “analysis” of my post from December 21, that no one had the slightest comment on the fact that at the University of Michigan, any trace of black heritage grants an automatic 20 points towards admissions while a perfect SAT score confers only 12 points. That standard is blatant racism and based on the complete silence, I know that Michigan’s prerogative is exceptionally difficult to defend. </p>

<p>Moreover, heed these facts collected in 2003 collected for the overturning of the Bollinger cases <a href=“http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/admissions/legal/gra_amicus-ussc/cac-both.pdf:[/url]”>http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/admissions/legal/gra_amicus-ussc/cac-both.pdf:&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>Race is given ** 10 TIMES THE WEIGHT OF AN EXCELLENT ESSAY **</p>

<p>Race is given ** 1.67 TIMES THE WEIGHT OF A PERFECT SAT SCORE **</p>

<p>As correctly synthesized within the document itself, “Michigan does not consider individual individual achievement a virtue on par with race.”</p>

<p>Further, the document goes on to correctly declare that an institution using affirmative action has no right to institute a person of color as a representative of his ethnicity. Education and learning is wholly based on the individual self, not within the greater social context of the institution. Yet when a university admits students of color, it is as if a state-governed prophecy is bestowed upon that student to fulfill the role of every student of that ethnicity. </p>

<p>Most of all, racial diversity is not relevant to education itself. We are not innately endowed with our own experiences or perspectives, which is a direct implication of the foundations of affirmative action. Placed into context, when one African American/Latino/Native American child is born beside a Cacausian/Asian child, the former is immediately already a fifth of the way towards admission at the typical university that favors the specialized treatment of certain minority groups. Further, if the former scores a 600 on his or her SAT and the latter child scores a 2400, the white/Asian child is still at a deficit of 20-12 in admissions. Affirmative action is a socially backwards policy that does nothing but demoralize the very fundamentals of education. </p>

<p>In fact, since you mention the overall high collective merits of Asian applicants, allow me to indicate that Asians now constitute approximately 50% of UC Berkeley’s undergraduate body. Why? Because Berkeley chooses applicants based on academic merit and what each individual can contribute to the campus environment without regards to skin color, a munificent quality that I highly laud its admission’s committee for. Asians, collectively, have the best academic statistics of any ethnic group and thus any Asian student who holds the academic and personal promise (as conveyed within the scope of the impersonal nature of a college application) deserves acceptance. At Berkeley and many other public universities who have overturned their affirmative action policies, African Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans need not doubt their personal and academic merit for attending these institutions. Their accomplishments will not be scrutinized by their fellow students because they were admitted under a policy that does not use the appearance of one’s superficial layer as an admission factor. That is, admittance to Berkeley (or any other university that does not use race as a considered quality for admission) has the same weight for all students. An HYPS (and other private universities that do use race as a considered quality for admission, of course) admit for a black/Hispanic/Native American student is not the equivalent of an HYPS admit for a white/Asian student because their admission policies are notorious for race-based admits. Thus even when minority students are as qualified and hold the other intangible qualities that yield an acceptance to said university, in society and by fellow students they seen as the individual who would have been accepted without an admission boost. This is by far the most venomous quality of affirmative action for minorities. </p>

<p>In essence, I cannot proceed any further without asking this fundamental question, which is not intrinsically apposite only to minorities: would you rather be judged by your accomplishments and successes or by the color of your skin?</p>

[mifune]

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Good luck talking about being a latino in America! Or even a white guy from largely black neighborhood and school. The idea isn’t that color in and of itself gives way to unique insights. The point is that race affects the kind of social experiences people have which allows them to have unique insights.

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<p>Skin color may in essence correlate to unique social experiences but it is not something that is a direct causation. In fact if you argue in favor of race molding social experiences they are undeniably positive circumstances given our nation’s current degree of overliberality towards minorities and illegal immigrants.</p>

[mifune]

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Actually, mifune stated earlier in the thread that he didn’t know which part of his Yale application let the admissions office know his socioeconomic status. He said he didn’t know “which box to check”.

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<p>Of course, to clarify any confusion regarding my original statement, I was placing satire into my argument to juxtapose racially-based AA and income-based AA. Attaining the latter is not met with the ease of the former. Race-based AA is attained through the basic act of checking a box which allows individuals to easily bamboozle their way into an advantage.</p>

[mifune]

<p>My apologies regarding the broken link provided above. Try this: [Powered</a> by Google Docs](<a href=“http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:lvKdQvctpPUJ:www.vpcomm.umich.edu/admissions/legal/gra_amicus-ussc/cac-both.pdf+Michigan+does+not+consider+individual+individual+achievement+a+virtue+on+par+with+race&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgC4Z-_TOotlNNNWiIsYG1UFj0Bs497j_oVb_vTfiumH6b6xTEGJZPSCl4yw0Htyi32slj8GFKRCG3zoh68P0zdnKDc3rZ3OCBCzJCGRsxIlQH9nOd_JWPhtRul66CwUXvYjXYN&sig=AHIEtbRPnYyJ2Xo2o8v1lB_KdGB5Zb9TdQ]Powered”>http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:lvKdQvctpPUJ:www.vpcomm.umich.edu/admissions/legal/gra_amicus-ussc/cac-both.pdf+Michigan+does+not+consider+individual+individual+achievement+a+virtue+on+par+with+race&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgC4Z-_TOotlNNNWiIsYG1UFj0Bs497j_oVb_vTfiumH6b6xTEGJZPSCl4yw0Htyi32slj8GFKRCG3zoh68P0zdnKDc3rZ3OCBCzJCGRsxIlQH9nOd_JWPhtRul66CwUXvYjXYN&sig=AHIEtbRPnYyJ2Xo2o8v1lB_KdGB5Zb9TdQ)</p>

[Shrinkrap]

<p>"would you rather be judged by your accomplishments and successes or by the color of your skin? "</p>

<p>Color please! </p>

<p>Sorry… couldn’t resist. Of course I’d rather be judged by my SAT reasoning scores…</p>

[mifune]

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<p>Umm not even. His post shows a complete lack of logic and objectivity.

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<p>If you believe my arguments show “a complete lack of logic and objectivity” then respond with comments of your own rather than simply dismissing them as “they aren’t good.” Either you ought to provide your own arguments or you ought to not respond at all.</p>

<p>Also, Dbate, I noticed that you personally commented that upon your admittance to Yale, you had qualms regarding your merit due to affirmative action policies in a thread on this board earlier this month. A fundamental part of my argument emphasizes the fact that any policy that creates a doubt of one’s merit is wholly the wrong answer to the initial transgressions that it seeks to correct.</p>

[mifune]

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Many of you 16,17 year old CC addicts don’t realize you have yet to understand even a thing about the college admissions process, despite the fact that you’ve spent thousands of hours and posted billions of posts on a college admissions forum. The irony is rather astounding.

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<p>Since I declared myself to be in this age range earlier in this thread, I assume that this is directed towards me. The hard reality is that nobody knows the conduct of the admission’s committees of private universities unless one is on the committee itself. Public universities are more predictable since they are actually regulated whereas private universities can conduct as many ethical improprieties as they wish.</p>

<p>For those who contend that the admission process is not in any way slanted towards minorities is clearly mistaken. I will provide statistics in the next post to substantiate my claims.</p>

[Dash753]

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