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<p>You also have to remember that less than 2,000 blacks apply. So for every black person that is admitted a higher percentage of blacks are accepted, than compared to whites or asians who constitute a much higher percentage of the applicant pool.</p>
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<p>Um if you actually read my whole post you would have read where I considered doing ED to Penn (to the college of arts and sciences) last year. I am not trying to insult Penn in my post it is a great school, I was insulting you.</p>
<p>And less competition for a spot means achieving it is less impressive, no?</p>
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<p>Okay, so why consider that I go to Penn as the main part of your insult? Given your rejections at Harvard and Princeton and apparent lack of maturity and social acumen(as shown by insulting someone based on their college), I doubt you would have made it in to Wharton anyway.</p>
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<p>No, actually it is not less impressive at all.</p>
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<p>Oh I’m hurt. I may have been a reject at Harvard and Princeton but Yale suits me just fine ;)</p>
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<p>Penn encourages legacies and athletic recruits to apply ED. It’s also when faculty children, Philadelphia students, and those who have made big donations tend to apply. More than half of ED acceptances go to these groups; for the typical applicant ED at Penn is no easier than RD.</p>
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<p>Good for you. I never insulted anyone based on their choice of college…</p>
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<p>I wouldn’t have either, especially considering you go to Wharton (and I was joking Wharton and HYP are on the same level), but you insulted minorities as a collective and that is why I was indignant.</p>
<p>You guys fight like an old married couple.</p>
<p>No all my fights end up this way. I never actually get mad when I get into an argument and am always half joking.</p>
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<p>No, the individuals who express curiosity regarding a minority students’ scores/GPA/additional merits can more properly be understood as those rightfully mindful of the contemporary consequence in AA policy that holds minorities to a lower standard than their white and Asian cohorts even when the policy is irrationally applied – not as resentful, narcissistic Caucasian students who were denied other college opportunities. Strictly, those who are cognizant of the present implementation of racially-based AA and its cultural connotations cannot be categorized by any such qualities or outward appearances. The sheer reality is that minorities are held to a much lower standard by the universities admission policies. Truly, it not other students, but rather the university, which truly degrades the achievements of minorities by creating dissimilar admission paradigms for different ethnicities, which subsequently reduces the prestige associated with one’s attendance depending on one’s racial categorization. For instance, a minority student who achieved a 2350 on the SAT and maintained a 4.0 throughout high school will not have the opportunity to share the same prestige as his Caucasian and Asian peers simply because that student is initially held to a lower standard despite qualifications that clearly supersede those of his peers. Namely, his classmates and future employers will inevitably view his qualifications with suspicion since AA-practicing institutions impart the notion that the admission policies for specific racial classifications are intrinsically distinctive from those of other ethnicities.</p>
<p>^^^You can not, however, deny that AA is used all to often as a salve for those who were unaccomplished and were rightfully rejected from Ivies.</p>
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<p>This also is false. Employers care more about how one does at a given institution more so than how one got in. A minority student who graduates summa cum laude (my goal) from Yale would very much be respected by any employer.</p>
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<p>I actually respect you as a poster and feel that you personally would have still gone to Yale or another top school as a white applicant. I just feel that AA diminishes the impressiveness for all URM applicants because of those who get tipped/boosted in with slightly subpar applications. The same can be said for white applicants like myself. There are so many white kids getting in based on connections/money/preppy sports that people tend to assume one of those things played a role when they look at a white kid at an Ivy League. That’s why I wish admissions were more merit based. I personally was a legacy at Penn, but also had a 2370 first try, 7 5’s on APs, top of class at nyc private that sends bulk of the class to Ivies, national writing awards and plenty of leadership, essay that regional rep claimed was ‘the best she read all year’…and yet people still claimed “oh…he was a legacy, that explains it” which was hard to hear.</p>
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<p>Particularly in regards to your last sentence, Dbate, this is the unfair but truthful reality coupled with minority acceptances into elite AA-practicing institutions. Despite any academic achievements or personal successes, current AA creates an inevitable stupefaction pertaining to whether that student was ostensibly selected as a diversity admit utilized by the university for marketing tactics or the exceptionable, admirable student who honorably demonstrated his or her own scholastic, individual, and contributory merit.</p>
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<p>You are intelligent enough to understand that 1 out of 3 is less impressive than 1 out of 10 or 20, right?</p>
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<p>True; it is clear that no minority students in Ivy League universities are not accomplished in any respect nor has anyone made an insinuation in that direction.</p>
<p>Perhaps Dbate was being fecetious. I personally believe that sarcasm should be omitted when speaking from the keyboard since the point is not readily understood.</p>
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<p>That is because people are jealous of others accomplishments regardless of who they are or how hard they worked to achieve them. As much as people opine about the “doubts” others have about the qualifications of minorities, other students face this same doubting. During one of the first meetings with my freshman counselor group, one student, who attended a private school, said that students at her school accused her of only being accepted because she was low income. People are jealous and will insult others to make themselves feel better.</p>
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<p>1) You’re overestimating many critics of AA. A student from around here got into Harvard four years ago. It was the talk of the town, at least among the white people here. “Did you hear about _____? Yeah, he only got in because he’s black,” was heard much too often despite the fact that these critics know nothing about his application. Many critics of AA know absolutely nothing about the resumes of 99% of applicants, but they still feel safe chocking it all up to Affirmative Action, a common enemy. In this case, none of the entitled teenage brats who also joined the insulting masses earned acceptance to Ivies or other highly-ranked universities. They automatically assumed they were stronger applicants even though the non-white applicant had overcome much more to achieve even greater heights than they did. In this case, all of those whiners were shallow and pathetic losers.</p>
<p>2) Standards are not significantly lowered. Minority acceptees are as deserving as many of their fellow white and asian acceptees.</p>
<p>3) The majority of people who whine about AA never attended/will attend a university as prestigious as Yale. People who go to Yale do not question how deserving their fellow Yalies were. I’ve talked to a few current (white) Yalies online and all of them said that those thoughts never cross their mind. Employers do not care either. The vast majority of them couldn’t give a d*** about AA and are generally impressed that the person vying for the job attended such a highly-regarded school.</p>